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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

He is a great guy. Are you doing the aft cockpit 52.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Actually, "inaccuracies" is a very diplomatic term for the whoppers in this compilation:

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They're your words, Brent. Own 'em.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"Whoppers" ? With cheese?
Not my favorite burger but any burger in a storm.

Why does BS disappear when you invite him into a discussion involving reality?
If you are a "designer" then show us your "designs". That seems so rudimentary. You must have one or two. Show us. Just one set of hull lines drawn by you,,,,,,

It is not going to happen.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I was reading an article today about old time boatbuilders working at the waters edge building good size workboats strictly by eye and experience - no plans, no 1/2 models, no nuthin except tradition and experience.

It struck me that BS is more or less the modern rendition of that craft.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I just marked out the plates for another 36, for a young couple who are as keen as anyone can get ,to get started . After owning several boats they concluded that the only way to get what they want is to build their own, from scratch.By the time that boat is together, there will be three more people who can build my designs,
So turning people down wont mean refusing their right to own a good steel boat.
More play time for me.
Brett, if you can break yourself away from your warm fire in that snug pilot house we'd appreciate some pictures of the build in process. Show us your stuff man.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Brett, if you can break yourself away from your warm fire in that snug pilot house we'd appreciate some pictures of the build in process. Show us your stuff man.
Here's some good photos of a swain 26 being built:
Kim's Boat - TheBoat's Photos

And a 36: http://www.sv-mom.com/construction.html

I don't know anything about building boats (steel or otherwise), but I find Brent's boats and philosophy interesting.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I checked your links out. I find the hulls quite nice in their basic shape. I'm not keen on twin keels for obvious performence reasons but I recognize their benefits. But I do think the method is responsible for the shapes produced and certainly not Brents "drawings". But credit where credit is due the hulls look nice in an old fashioned way and they do look pretty fair. I have never seen Brent post a set of lines. I doubt I ever will.

But the deck structures are straight from hunger. The boy just has no eye as shown in his crude drawings. Deck shapes are grim and where they are less than grim I would have to credit the builder and certainly not Brent. It's kind of a shame because with some desig skill the boats could look quite good and making the deck shapes better would not add a nikckel to the cost.
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But the deck structures are straight from hunger. ...... It's kind of a shame because with some design skill the boats could look quite good and making the deck shapes better would not add a nickel to the cost.
This sort of thing happens with a lot of fishboat conversions too.. some are gorgeous... the added cabin extensions 'flow' with the original and the sheer lines, windows are raked appropriately, etc.. In other cases the house was taken off and some gawd-awful square squat plywood box erected in it's place.. shudder.. and you end up with zero 'row away factor'...
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I agree.
When I was a kid I was struck by the beauty of Bill Garden's Bristol Bay boat conversions.
There was one in particular, GULL. Most of these conversions had their freeboard raised and in doing that they often lost the grace of the original sheer. But GULL retained the original freeboard and it was a beauty. As I have said here repeatedly there is no reason stalwart workboats can't be a thing of beauty in the hands of a skilled and sensitive designer.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I live on a Brent Boat 36' past 7 yrs now since retirement. My first sailboat after a lifetime in Ontario canoe country and a move to BC was a 30' Alberg similie Pacific 30. One winter in that misery was enough for me. One day soon afterward I saw a steel boat seated on its twin keels sheltered from the wind far into the cove away from the storm water tossing all the other anchored boats about. I investigated...was invited in for tea. The interior was dry and beautifully warmed by the wood stove. Hull was tight looking, smooth and beautifully painted. Steel rails, stout sampson posts, no nonsense windlass and firm under the foot feel overall. I had found my retirement. I have followed this thread a bit with some surprise. Giving credit where it is due to both arguments re Bob and Brent is my take on this. Both guys impress me for their respective long experiences and knowledge. Respectfully to all... a steel boat guy.
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