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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I like any well dsigned boat. I have zero against a nice steel boat. I have designed several. I have no "argument" unless it's my aversion to poor design work and the BS claim that if you don't do it my way you are ignorrant. The clients who commission custom designs from me are far from ignorrant. I also like to pass along what I have learned. Here I am on Thursday teaching a class of 5th graders how to draw square rigged ships. I have done this every year for about 25 years. It's a lot of fun.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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This sort of thing happens with a lot of fishboat conversions too.. some are gorgeous... the added cabin extensions 'flow' with the original and the sheer lines, windows are raked appropriately, etc.. In other cases the house was taken off and some gawd-awful square squat plywood box erected in it's place.. shudder.. and you end up with zero 'row away factor'...
I've seen a few that are the equal or better of purpose designed trawler yachts.

http://bellingham.craigslist.org/bod/4145271566.html

They are a small minority though - most are the plywood box style unfortunately.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I have a firend in Everett that lives on an old fishing boat, left it as is for the most part. IT is a cool boat!

Bob, glad you are doing what you are doing, will allow them kids to see other things people can do than "JUST GO INTO" say Boeing, Microsoft, google etc for a couple three or four BIG employers here in Puget sound. Could be yacht design, cartooning, art work of somesort. Or another design field such as home/building architecture. Great for kids to get this kind of exposure.

I do agree on the bad design. always PO'd me when I see a new home, initial great looking landscape, only to see that the in house designer or the spec of the builder to the landscaper put a blinking Doug Fir 7' off a corner of a house! For you on the east coast, this is like putting an OAK, or Maple 7' off the corner of a house. What happens to that tree in 10 yrs? overgrown, needs to be moved, usually cut down.......what a waste of what should be a great looking tree if put in a BIG enough yard, in the correct place, a tree worth some money down the road per say.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Actually, "inaccuracies" is a very diplomatic term for the whoppers in this compilation:

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They're your words, Brent. Own 'em.
You mean like the Whopper ; A guy with your zero steel boat experience knows more about what is inaccurate in steel boat discussions, than someone who has built ,designed, maintained, cruised in and lived aboard steel boats for decades and built 38 of them?
Or the whopper " To build a steel sailboat , which has almost zero straight lines,one has to have a brake press, which can only bend straight lines.?
Steve ,you wouldn't know an inaccuracy in steel boat discussions if it bit you in the ass. You now almost nothing about the subject of this discussion, having zero hands on experience with it, as do most of the other critics in this discussion.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Relax Brent, chill. You protest too much. No need to be so angry.
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Brett, if you can break yourself away from your warm fire in that snug pilot house we'd appreciate some pictures of the build in process. Show us your stuff man.
There are lots of them on the origamiboats site ( yahoo groups)
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There are lots of them on the origamiboats site ( yahoo groups)

I had a look at the sites a previous poster noted. Interesting, but displaced the notion that it was going to be a quick build or any cheaper then buying a well found GRP boat.

I could see making one as an expedition style vessel for high latitude sailing. More of a work boat style sailing machine. Rugged, tough, not having to worry about brightwork or shiny paint jobs. Easy to pull up to an old piling pier. Won't attract a lot of attention either.
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Probably hurt the old piling pier.
There should be a law.
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I checked your links out. I find the hulls quite nice in their basic shape. I'm not keen on twin keels for obvious performence reasons but I recognize their benefits. But I do think the method is responsible for the shapes produced and certainly not Brents "drawings". But credit where credit is due the hulls look nice in an old fashioned way and they do look pretty fair. I have never seen Brent post a set of lines. I doubt I ever will.

But the deck structures are straight from hunger. The boy just has no eye as shown in his crude drawings. Deck shapes are grim and where they are less than grim I would have to credit the builder and certainly not Brent. It's kind of a shame because with some desig skill the boats could look quite good and making the deck shapes better would not add a nikckel to the cost.
Bob, those are broad and vague generalizations. What do you man by Straight from hunger?" What do you mean by Grim? What specifically don't you like about my decks? Can you be more specific. I cant respond to vague generalizations, made with meaningless, home made phrases.
My computer appears to have been blocked from this site, and the library computer has been deleting whole paragraphs, randomly, without warning. Others here have been having the same problem. That is why I haven't been able to get on this site lately. It seems to be working tonite . I have also been helping a friend move from his freezing, dripping, leaky stock fibreglass boat, onto his new, warm, dry well insulated Brentboat. Nothing but one bunk and a woodstove for interior in his Brentboat so far, but light years more comfortable.
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I had a look at the sites a previous poster noted. Interesting, but displaced the notion that it was going to be a quick build or any cheaper then buying a well found GRP boat.

I could see making one as an expedition style vessel for high latitude sailing. More of a work boat style sailing machine. Rugged, tough, not having to worry about brightwork or shiny paint jobs. Easy to pull up to an old piling pier. Won't attract a lot of attention either.
Do you mean GRP boat or GRP hull? When the metal work has been done, you have your lifelines tankage, cleats windvane, anchor winch, hatches, cleats and so much more that you have to go out and buy for a GRP boat. You can build a lot of gear from the scraps including anchors How much GRP can you buy for that amount? Enough to build a36 ft shell?
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