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Except the turkey, pig, other type o bird/creature folks have etc........

Then again, if we was in an ocean, somewhere in a polar region, there would be a great white something or other after us.......hmmmmmm......glad I am here, not there!

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Etap was bought by a famous German Co. Could this have been the plastic boat vs the steel tub killed before it was able to grow ? Was it just an overpriced dog that did not do anything well ? just a jack of all trades and a master at none ? Could it be a rising star bought at a good time in market by a sharp forward thinking European co?
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I'm sure you would like to imagine I invented drawings as a part of the design process but you'd be very wrong.
Not at all, I am a biomedical engineer by trade and also do my design starting with drawings and diagrams... I'm just objecting to the idea that it's the only way. In the end, having a product that meets the design objectives is what's important... even if the design process is unorthodox.

It seems to me that both you and Brent design well to your design objectives, you just both despise each others philosophy towards what those objectives should be in a sailing boat. I admire both of your designs, because they both ruthlessly adhere to, and successfully achieve the intended goal.
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I think you will have a very hard time documenting where I said it was "the only way". Maybe you can provide the quote for that. I don't think I would never say that.

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Have you ever seen the design drawings, often paintings, done as design concepts by Dale Chihuly?

Perhaps you can give me a quick list of the great yacht designers who did not provide drawings. I need to keep an eye on my turkey but I'll check back in half an hour. It's going to be a very short list.

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Perhaps you can give me a quick list of the great yacht designers who did not provide drawings. I need to keep an eye on my turkey but I'll check back in half an hour. It's going to be a very short list.
I can help here.. pick me! pick me!!

Given that almost every yacht built prior to 1900 (and not a few afterward) were lofted directly from hand-carved hull models with the rig drawn up on the back on an envelope, the list could be actually rather large. Let's start with Wm Fife, Logan..


(Bob, I think you meant to say "modern" yacht designers.. )
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Back at you, Bob, but you're several weeks late!

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Etap was bought by a famous German Co. Could this have been the plastic boat vs the steel tub killed before it was able to grow ? Was it just an overpriced dog that did not do anything well ? just a jack of all trades and a master at none ? Could it be a rising star bought at a good time in market by a sharp forward thinking European co?
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Hi Lou,

That are news to me. What company are you talking about?

The last news I knew about Elan were sad ones:

Sail-World.com : Whatever happened to the award-winning ETAP?

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Perhaps you can give me a quick list of the great yacht designers who did not provide drawings. I need to keep an eye on my turkey but I'll check back in half an hour. It's going to be a very short list.
I was defending unorthodox methods which work. It's not exactly unorthodox if you have a long list of famous people already doing it!
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I see a problem on my drawing. Damned acad. See if you can pick it up.
Looks good now! (Centerlines on the first three station sections....)

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