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Cute but a gross exageration and missunderstanding of the process. Do you think for a moment that rig on one of those giant Fife sloop came of the back of a napkin? While N.G.Herreshoff may have worked from a carved half model initially he had a machine of his own devising built to transfer the model lines to paper.

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Another old steeler.

This from I think the first edition of the Proper Yacht. From memory posted in an Anarchy thread on double enders. I have no idea if she still lives.

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The boat is alive and well, was a Mclear Harris design, sold a few years ago in Texas and underwent a refit. She had several solo crossings of the Atlantic and is apparently a very easy boat to sail and very forgiving. I binned a comprehensive survey on her in an office clean up recently. I looked at her for a client. She has a sister vessel in Australia based in Adelaide.
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Cute but a gross exageration and missunderstanding of the process. Do you think for a moment that rig on one of those giant Fife sloop came of the back of a napkin? While N.G.Herreshoff may have worked from a carved half model initially he had a machine of his own devising built to transfer the model lines to paper.

I'll say it once again for the slow readers. I never said there was "only one way".
Gross exaggeration? Yep, you bet. Misunderstanding? Knowing only too well how they did it, not so much.. I'm just having a dig at you, Bob

FWIW, maybe not always napkins for rig design (they might not last very long), but designers of yesteryear have been known to use whatever came to hand when working things out, eg:




..but this is getting too far off-topic, so back to the conversation at hand..

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When it comes to boats, I advocate (and practice) recycling by buying existing boats
I also appreciate recycling but it's almost a shame that fiberglass boats last so long... in the old days low budget cruisers had to design and build their own boats and this challenge prepared them for the challenges they'd later face at sea.

Nowadays you can't build a boat for less than 10 times the cost of a well built fiberglass boat that will likely outlive it's owner two times over. This takes something away from the cruising experience because you don't have the same technical knowledge or emotional connection with a boat you didn't build yourself.

I've read just about every old cruising epic from Slocum to the Pardeys and I really see a difference between people who built their own boat vs people who just have a production boat. People who built their own boats have categorically better seamanship, better "luck," and a better time at sea. These are the people that are prepared for the worst, and when it happens take it in stride.

Perhaps a good compromise is to just get the most neglected, derelict heap you can find for nearly free. A total restoration, learning and doing every task yourself costs more than a good condition boat but is still cheaper than building your own from scratch. At least that's what I told my wife when I recently travelled 1,000 miles to purchase the worst condition example I've ever seen of my 'dream' craft.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I don't think it's so much the building of a boat that makes them better seamen, although knowing every inch of your boat certainly contributes.

Rather, I think it's that the type of person who wants to/is capable of building their own boat also becomes a better seaman, for the same reason - they are more committed to it.
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Etap I think was purchased by Dehler You might find this if you google it. They may just have bought the rights so they can gain some type of patent with out any intention of building the boats Hope this is good info for you Paulo
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Oh looking into this more it was in the year 2008 five years ago? Lots of time to shut down a company for profit.
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I'm with you 100%. It's damn shame that grp boat last so long. It is not good for my business.

"People who built their own boats have categorically better seamanship, better "luck," and a better time at sea. These are the people that are prepared for the worst, and when it happens take it in stride."

What an odd thing to say. It assumes a lot of intimate knowldge into these various seafarers. To me it is just subjective hyperbole. I can see where you are coming from and I am not going there.

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Sorry about that. My Australian sense of humor is still there. But I have to drag it up kicking and screaming some times. I am dead certian that the original Fife drawings were amazing works of art.

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If someone is a master builder or craftsman it is going to have a spillover in other areas.Slocum was a Master Mariner of a level that went out with the age of sail.He had to wear many hats and have alot of knowledge about all aspects of shipping, sailing, trading,fishing ,building and maintenance,paymaster,enforcer, long before he rebuilt The Spray.He was at the end of his career and had a life time of experience already.
Larry Pardey is a master craftsman, He is a discipined guy.His boat is always in tip-top shape an absolute jewell box.He is not in ports drinking and hanging out at brothels or trying to make a quick buck smuggling.Hes taking care of his boat.That could be fun though, The negative version of lynn and larry out there in a BS 36,raising hell in exotic places, burning and looting, drinking and carrying on,having demotlition derbys with the ARC rally plastic boats................
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