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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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That has been my point all along. With the exact same materials and same amount of time cutting and welding, armed witha decent set of plans the home builder can build a good looking boat. But if the plans are lacking in detail and care you will have no idea what shapes will arise. If the designer wants to control the design elelemnts of the boat he MUST design!
And all that detailing is more work, ergo, more expensive BUT it is money well spent because it saves you money in the end.You are not standing around scratching yer bum thinking ,'what the hell is he trying say here' you know what you need from the git go and can schedual your work.A fully detailed set of well drawn plans will give you an education in construction.Well, I am going sailing today on a plastic I36,I know I am taking my life in my hands,we might hit some drift wood,get dive bombed by gulls or attacked by sea lions or run down by a frieghter full of chinese steal.Pray for me;-)
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Jak,

sounds as good as me, only my sons will be pulling me up the mast!!!!! hmmmmmm.......I wonder if that is safe. they have the same wacked out sense o humour I do. I could get left up there. dropped for my life insurance......hmmmmmmmmmmm.........

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

About that carbon footprint for BS'ers...

From BS's site:

Melting sheet led for the keel.

If you simply buy a used FG boat, not only will you save years and years of work, and be sailing instead of smelting, you will absolutely do FAR less damage to the planet than if you do what Brent tells you you should do. Period. End of story.



Please recycle. For the children.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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The ones that built the boats are builders the ones that sail them are sailors and if a builder can be a good sailor most of the best sailors in the world have never built a boat.
I was talking about a different set of of skills than you learn just sailing a boat: intimate technical knowledge about how the boat is constructed, and in general how boats are constructed. For example hours at sea won't teach you about how different materials corrode and how to prevent this, or how to calculate the stresses on standing rigging and choose proper angles. This helps you to prepare the boat to be reliable, and to jury rig a solution when something fails at sea.

This isn't knowledge you get from sailing boats, but from building and repairing them. When the **** hits the fan, you need to be an engineer, a craftsman, and a sailor. Only the latter comes from sea experience.
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I was talking about a different set of of skills than you learn just sailing a boat: intimate technical knowledge about how the boat is constructed, and in general how boats are constructed. For example hours at sea won't teach you about how different materials corrode and how to prevent this, or how to calculate the stresses on standing rigging and choose proper angles. This helps you to prepare the boat to be reliable, and to jury rig a solution when something fails at sea.

This isn't knowledge you get from sailing boats, but from building and repairing them. When the **** hits the fan, you need to be an engineer, a craftsman, and a sailor. Only the latter comes from sea experience.
For the type of sailing 98% of us will ever do (e.g. - coastal, island hops, 3-5 day runs, etc.) - this approach is WAY overkill.

Calculate stresses on standing rigging? Seriously?

I agree that ingenuity and handiness with tools is essential for longer runs, but I think you're a bit too worried about poop-spewing-fans.
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Not to mention Fukashima debris.

I'm going to call my next band Fukashima Debris.
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Oh - this has got to hurt, Brent. One of your biggest sailing stars is going back to plastic after sailing your steeler for years?????

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silascrosby: Paul , don't laugh, but the plan is to get an F-27 folding tri once Silas Crosby is sold.

In the winter it can go in the garden on a trailer, or we can zip down to Baja by road and cruise the Sea of Cortez, or by trailer to Homer,Ak and explore the Alaska Peninsula some more. Actually what I'm really excited about is trying to go to Haida Gwaii, N coast of BC, and the West Coast of V.I. on such a craft. I can see that a smaller Jordan drogue used carefully could really extend the abilities of such a marginal sea-going vessel. Plus, what a gas to sail.
I'll have to consult with Brent about a REALLY compact wood heater

Of course I still would get the shallow water and beaching abilities, with a little more care and consideration than on my present boat.

However ,yes, it means saying good-bye for the time being to big open ocean scenarios. No regrets so far.

Gotta have a plan,right?
I guess he finally saw the light. He's obviously a very smart man who cares about the planet.

Thanks for encouraging me to look into your forum a bit more. It is indeed very helpful in proving my points.
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Oh - this has got to hurt, Brent. One of your biggest sailing stars is going back to plastic after sailing your steeler for years?????



I guess he finally saw the light. He's obviously a very smart man who cares about the planet.

Thanks for encouraging me to look into your forum a bit more. It is indeed very helpful in proving my points.
But... But.... you mean he's prepared to risk hitting all that Fukishima debris at 17 knots in a flimsy GRP craft???
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But... But.... you mean he's prepared to risk hitting all that Fukishima debris at 17 knots in a flimsy GRP craft???
It'll be interesting to see how much he gets for this boat. He started out at $73K and has come down to $63K from what I've seen. The resale value of this boat (the star in the BS lineup) will be very telling. I'm betting sub $50K (bummer for the owner Steve if that holds).

Even so, if someone really, really wants a BS boat - it makes MUCH more sense on EVERY level to buy a used one like the Silas than build a new one.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I'm betting VERY sub-$50K. In the current local market I think he'd be doing very well to get $30K. Currently there are lots of good quality "fragile" glass boats over 40' - Frasers, Philbrooks etc. ASKING $40K or less. I know of a Reliance 44 that has been around, eastabout, that needs little more than stores to go again. This is a big, solid, fully outfitted offshore boat and they can't get $90K for it. There is a Seamaid 45 that has done the Pacific circuit, ASKING $85k.

These boats have all been on the market for quite a long time - years in some cases so I sure can't see a price in that range for a Brentboat, even the best known one.

P.S. Haida Gwaii on an F27? I don't think so! Maybe if they ferried it to the islands and day sailed up there. Even that though.... VERY wet & cold & stormy up there.
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