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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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A 40' steel boat doing 15 knots? Where can I get one of those?
Sail it in the big flood tides we have around here. We have up to 15 knots of tide in Seymore narows. So if you do 8 knots under power you could do 23 knots thru there. Watch out for the 100 ft whirlpools. Okisollo channel does 9 knots, with much smaller whirlpools ,if you would settle for 17 knots.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Ok Brent! ANY ONE can do 15 knots thru that channel! I can do that in my fiberglass 4ksb! 15 knots of current and 4 knots of boat sp under power.....19 knots! in a glass boat no less.

If you are going to come up with these kinds of stories, make sure it works across the board! ANY boat, steel, aluminum, wood, carbon, glass, cement etc, will be doing the same speed as your shown steel boat in the same conditions!

Altho I have to admit, your stretched lies are easy to spot! you could at least make them a bit harder to find!

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Sail it in the big flood tides we have around here. We have up to 15 knots of tide in Seymore narows. So if you do 8 knots under power you could do 23 knots thru there. Watch out for the 100 ft whirlpools. Okisollo channel does 9 knots, with much smaller whirlpools ,if you would settle for 17 knots.
Why would anyone with a brain try to navigate Seymore Narrows in the middle of a tide?

That makes as much sense as building a boat without framing.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Those were fun "diversions" BS that had zero to do the subject matter.

You are trying to use racism and environment issues to color the true subject matter of the thread. Read slower. Think faster.

"Why would anyone with a brain try to navigate Seymore Narrows in the middle of a tide? "
Very good question Stumble. But you must remember we are talking BS here with reality bent as required to fit the argument.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Hey Mike,

I saw over at BDnet that Wynand built a Van De Stadt or two. I honestly didn't know those were "non-production" boats (i.e. - built from plans by other builders). Is that common for the VDS line? And were/are they typically steel?

I have to say I liked the aluminum origami boats I came across on BS' site much better than the steel ones. They looked much cleaner and more "professional" even though they had the same hull distortions as the steelers.

I can't remember the name of the company, but somewhere many pages ago in this thread, I posted a video of a company that was building some very nice looking origami aluminum yachts a few years back. They went belly up (couldn't meet demand). But to my eye, they were at least turning out a nice looking boat.


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"I saw over at BDnet that Wynand built a Van De Stadt or two."

I'm not sure those really count because the builder probably had some plans drawn by a very capable design office. I have see their drawings. They are precise.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Van De Stadt is a design house, one of theoldest. They do custom work and have stock designs, some of which can be built in different materials - wood, glass, steel, aluminum. Van de Stadt Design - Yacht Designers and Naval Architects

Here is one of their popular designs, the 34:





Here are the numbers. Notice the ballast weights and displacement for each material, showing steel as the worst choice based on sailing ability and the ability to stand up to her sail area.




Almost one ton heavier in steel with less ballast.

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Interesting. It is a good looking boat.


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Interesting. It is a good looking boat.
Fuzzy's "Raven" is one of these in steel.. still available AFAIK...

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Hey Mike,

I saw over at BDnet that Wynand built a Van De Stadt or two. I honestly didn't know those were "non-production" boats (i.e. - built from plans by other builders). Is that common for the VDS line? And were/are they typically steel?
Vand de Stadt (the firm, the Na deceased long ago) has in his story several production boats but the one that was built by Wynand is not a production boat but a boat build from plans that can be bought by anybody. That gives to that person the right to build a boat according to those plans.

A production boat is a boat made by a shipyard that buys in exclusivity to the NA the rights to build a given design that normally is a command. The owner of the rights over that design passes from the NA to the shipyard.

That situation is different than the one regarding a one off. On that case a client buys exclusively the rights over a given design to a NA. The boat is going to be a unique one and that's why it is called a one off.

During many years the main source of income from Vand de Stadt was selling plans to build boats. They have a catalog and anyone could chose a model from there but not in exclusivity.

Yes, they have several designs for steel sailboats. On the past steel were more frequent now they design more for aluminium even if they still have steel boats.

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