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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

A few pages back Brent stated that the Van De Stadt 34 was an origami boat. Not really. But it is a fast way to build an aluminum or steel boat. It requires plates cut to millimeter accuracy from computer files. Here is a link to this method.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Hey... 25 years ago I drew (sketches, drawings, and all), then built molds, then built 3 (THREE - production run!!) of these little gems for our kids...



Does that make me a designer??

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No casio you are mistaken.
But you can see whatever you want to see. You seem entrenched.

When I was a young aspiring designer I would write "boat designer" after my name. " Robert H. Perry boat designer".

I didn't think I deserved the accolade "yacht designer". I had not earned it. But I knew I designed "boats".

Then I got a job with a big time, East Coast design firm, Carter Offshore. There was me, Yves- Marie Tanton, Chuck Paine and Mark Lyndsey. I made $157 a week. So I got a job moonlighting for Ted Brewer. Ted liked my work. Then one day Ted invited me up to his house in Maine for the weekend. We sat around and during that time Ted said something like. "You are a pretty good yacht designer". I thought, "Holly shitski, Ted thinks I am a yacht designer. Maybe I am." If Ted thinks I am then,,,,,I must be.

Ted offerred me a job as a partner. I thought that maybe life in a town of 26 people was not really the life I wanted so I turned him down. Ted and I have remained fast friends. I think the world of him.

In our little yacht designer world we have our standards. They are not written down. We need to show each other that we can do it. And we do. Show me what you can do.

You have no idea what you are talking about. It's just nonsense to me. You can defend BS till you last breath but you cannot change the fact that BS cannot provide design documents. In my workd he is a hack.

In my world BS may be a lot of other things that are noteworthy. He shows skills that are wonderful. But he is not a yacht designer.

In my world this is reality.

I respect BS for what he can do. I don't respect him for what he cannot do. And, if he could do it he would show us. Would you like me to post more examples of the yacht designer's art? I can do it till the cows come home. It's what I do. And other real yacht designers will look at it and say, "Shitski, Bob Is good at this."

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

off course. But you have to post the drawings. No drawings posted, no boat designer

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Nice, can I have one? The look on your son's face says it all. Congrats!

Alaska:
You nailed it. A laymen can build an amazing cabin. Does that make him an architect ?No. Is his cabin any less amazing" No. Some very amazing structures have been built by guys with a pile of logs and a need. Are they "desgners"? Well, kind of, sort of. Maybe by accident and necessity.

I can work in my yard, order some big boulders, arrange them, order some river pebbles, arrange them into paths. Am I a landscape architect? Hardly. But my garden works nicely for me.

My pal Ozzie and my pal Marty (he's on here) are landscape architects. I bet they don't think I am a landscape architect.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

So, Bob.. what are your thoughts on membership of R.I.N.A. (or similar) then? Does that make someone a Naval Architect??

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So, Bob.. what are your thoughts on membership of R.I.N.A. (or similar) then? Does that make someone a Naval Architect??
They can design commodes for admirals?.....JK;-)
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I don't have an easy answer for that.
My experience has been that those who need initials after their name to say what they can do cannot prove it any other way. I don't need to see initials afer a name. I need to see design work. I have been surrounded by this my entire professional carreer.

Does Bruce Farr put any initials after his name? Does Ron Holland?. Does Doug Peterson? Does Chuck Paine? Does Yves -Martie Tanton? Does Bruce King? Does Peter Melvin? Does Juan K? Does Mark Miills? Give me a phouquing break.

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About four years ago I received a letter from the Washington Sate bureau of licenses, or something like that. They said they they had heard I was operating as a naval archtitect without the required state documents. (I have never called myself a naval architect.
L. Francis Herrshoff once said that a naval architect is a step below a yacht designer.)

I wrote them a brief letter explaining what I had accomplished in my field for the last 35 years. I got a nice letter back saying, "Never mind, carry on. Let us know if we can ever do anything for you." I keep the letter right here.

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Jake B. hack extrordinaire dds.p.s.hd.qr. and a whole lotta other shyte you never heard of.
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