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Brent are you aware of any structural failures of any professionally built cold molded boats? Your argument is specious in the extreme. Even back during world war two using resorcinol mine sweepers made of wood were seeing hard service in the north sea during winter storms.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"If these folks could see the almost new materials we throw out regularly,"

I think I saw Brent's feet sticking up out of a dumpster behind the supermarket the other night. His shoes didn't match.
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Brent are you aware of any structural failures of any professionally built cold molded boats? Your argument is specious in the extreme. Even back during world war two using resorcinol mine sweepers made of wood were seeing hard service in the north sea during winter storms.
..and don't forget that, like the Mosquito's fuselage, those hulls were both extremely thin and extremely light to save cost and weight.

Going up a size, there are numerous racing yachts in New Zealand from the drawing boards of both Bailey and the Logan brothers cold-moulded in NZ Kauri that are as good as the day they were launched - over 100 years ago.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

What did they use as adhesive back then?

Or are you referring to double diagonal planking?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I dont think the Logan or Bailey boats were glued,I could be wrong, but they were definately double and triple diagonaly planked.
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"If these folks could see the almost new materials we throw out regularly,"

I think I saw Brent's feet sticking up out of a dumpster behind the supermarket the other night. His shoes didn't match.
That wasn't a dumpster silly. It was an origami boat.
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No smacks you're wrong. It was too good looking to be an origami boat.
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What did they use as adhesive back then?
Nails, pitch, Stockholm tar..

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I dont think the Logan or Bailey boats were glued,I could be wrong, but they were definately double and triple diagonaly planked.
No, they weren't glued.. glues weren't good enough until 50 or so years later (WWII). But the discussion was regarding wood construction methods and I tend to think of triple-diagonal as being cold-moulding without the glue.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent after all I was understanding what you wanted to say but I just didn't believe you were saying that traditional wood boat building is stronger than a cold molded wood hull. I don't now anything about wood grain but I know that weight for weight a cold molded wood epoxy hull is much stronger. Have a look at this 157' yacht with the hull made of multiple layers of wood strips bonded with epoxy resin:



The boat was designed by Bruce King and built by Hodgdon.


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