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Merry Christmas, Peace on earth and good will to all mankind ! Each day should be like this or BETTER. The real golden rule is to treat others like we want to be treated. It takes time to back up and think about this. The best gift we can give is of ourselves.
I just was reading a book about what else Sailing It said that hull material is just 20% of the build cost. Going on it states this is just an economy of 2-4% . Do you all find this to be true? I gather most of my information from what I read, then I must judge it.
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If you are talking just about hull material and no labor I'd say that sounds high to me.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I'll probably agree with BO on the %. BUT, none the less, the hull is a smallish % of the whole boat. Add in sails, motor, deck gear etc, then hull is a very very very small % of the whole cost of a boat.

While I do not want to get into a arguement with anyone over which hull material is best persay.......it shows that even steel, aluminum, FRP etc, it really will not matter which you have a boat built of, or build yourself, you still have a BIG expense in the cost of the rest of the boat. Again, assuming ALL is bought new to new'ish if you will. Not from scratch, not including a cost of some sort for your personal labor if you built it vs buying it.

When I do landscapes for folks, many times the most expensive part is literally "me". Materials are a minor part of the deal, depending upon the what I am doing, how I am doing it. Access.....can I get that 100 yds of topsoil to your back yard with my bobcat at 20-25yd and hr, or do I have to wheel barrow at 2-3 yds and hr, or in some cases, literally in 5 gal buckets at 1/2 yd per person an hr up or down 50-75 steps!

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Thank both of you for the direct reply. It is nice to have a book club so to speak. This book is - How to sail around the world , Hal Roth - Next part of interest in this book is "A new steel Hull in 15 days ? " Multi chine Hull by E.G Van de Stadt of Wormerveer Holland. So it seems a steel hull can be built with some degree of speed.
The book is not about boat construction and it does not say how many man hours or if it is 15 days multiple shifts / this could translate to be 30-90 days. Time was also saved by accuracy of cnc plasma cutters.
The book is looking at pros and cons , The books major Pro for steal was the hull type made of steal had the best chance against coral.
I am not advocating any one best boat hull be it wood, steal, ferro- cement, fiberglass or other material. I Just brought this up. Because of past claims of speed. I am in no way going to get on the you can walk out one day and decide to build a large vessel in the back yard as fast as a factory. They have engineers and skilled workers capital investment. You would have a back yard
Yes Slocum built the Spray. Let me also point out with humility and no malice as much success as had in his life of adventure some loss was evident.
Just a rehash of many past pages. Felt good to type it
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I believe Slocum did not build Spray. He restored it.
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That is correct.

Where is Brent? He has a quote to clear up.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I'm not searching back through 295 pages to find the post but wasn't this going for $50K or so a while back?

Attention Blue water cruisers - Brent Swain Sailboat- Dove II - Campbell River Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji Campbell River Canada.

It would appear that market realities have settled in. At that price, Brent's comments about a cheap blue water boat have some truth.

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I'm not searching back through 295 pages to find the post but wasn't this going for $50K or so a while back?

Attention Blue water cruisers - Brent Swain Sailboat- Dove II - Campbell River Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji Campbell River Canada.

It would appear that market realities have settled in. At that price, Brent's comments about a cheap blue water boat have some truth.
Honestly, the only one that's surprised is Brent.


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20k for Dove II. It's things that that which convinced me to not do steel. I was highly enthused to do an Alan Pape design awhile back. Got to the point of looking at plans and taking a welding course. Then calculated out man hours for construction and cost of interiors. I know Brent has the time to look around and do these things cheaply. Even if I had the time I would not be pleased with the result so had planned a white wood and teak interior.Cost of the interior is about the same regards of hull material. Figured with part time professional help was looking at ~7-10k man hours. Figured excluding my labor was looking at 75-100k. In glass you may assume a 20-30% loss ( higher for one offs) and about the same in Al. In real dollars if you use and maintain the boat maybe up to 50% loss over life of ownership ( looking at ~ 10y). But in steel ( even professionally constructed with perfect survey) you will have trouble selling it and then at even greater loses. If you want a metal hull at all levels ( modern design with good sailing performance, decent resale, ease of maintenance, aesthetics) Al makes better boat then Fe.
Steve went from a Mason to a Boreal. From what I understand he is pleased as punch. Wonder if steel owners are running into the same hassles with insurance and yards that wooden boat owner are experiencing.

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Yeah and despite the horrible looking hard dodger that's not a bad looking boat.

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