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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

For one slow typing guy, with an hour or two internet access every couple of days, to keep up with a whole gang, with nothing better to do, would take many 8 hour days to do.
I'll do what I can, when I feel like it, but there is no way your guys are worth wasting any more time than I feel like spending . People who matter get it, the rest never will, and don't matter.
Spent yesterday, visiting very grateful clients, and solving their problems with simple , affordable solutions .A day well spent, and thoroughly enjoyed.
Going scrapyard scrounging tomorrow. May get time for the internet, then again, may not. Then I'm going goat hunting, where there is no internet .
Will I be wishing I was at a computer answering questions, by cynics trying to waste my cruising time? Not a chance!

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

More BS from BS. It never ends. He shirks direct questions like identifying quotes.
When he says "hunting" he means dumpster diving.

Me? I'm making chili. I am happy to answer any and all questions about my chili. My secrets are lots of red wine, red wine vinegar and black molasses.

Then I will go swimming.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Built my boat through anchor yachts . Josh is a good guy. He sells waterline as well. Now that's a proper steel yacht. By the way pages 9 through 12 on the outbound section is my boat(grin).
Waterlines are excellent boats, very well built. Are they still building them?
A quarter million dollars is nothing to the rich , but they offer no advantage to those who are not rich, and would take away a huge chunk of any average cruiser's cruising fund, doing nothing to improve the cruising experience, which would justify giving up so much of it.
Are they in any way ,functionally better cruising boats than the ones my clients build? Not a chance!

Good swimming just up the road here. I took a couple of USanian clients to the public pool here a while back. Full use of the pool, weight room , saunas and hot tub cost under $4 each. They said in the US you would have to be rich to enjoy such facilities. Only the rich could do it. I told them public access to such facilities is a thing called "Socialism", a swear word in their country. We pay for it out of money saved by not having a huge military budget.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I just walk through one of the doors to my indoor pool. I heat it to 85 degs and that works fine. Everyone should have their own indoor pool. Amazing what hard work and succes will bring you.

We have Christmas lights strung up over the pool now. It's kind of pretty. We have an all glass roof to it so it's a pleasant environment. Bathing suits are optional. I think I have one, somewhere.

I really don't need the goverment to pay for any of it. I pay for it. I like it that way.

Have to go stir/ ster/stur my chili. (still can't spell)
No worries, BS will be back with more of his profundity.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I have a number of years in the welding trade, I have my own idea of what a good weld is and what is good enough. I have no boat building experience . Doing is so much different than abstract.
I would like to ask in the hull skin is it a full penetration weld ? What is the preferred method. What is the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, In theory all methods can be successful.
Next how are the welders tested. After the welders are tested the machines checked, records I assume are made. Then what testing is done to insure finished quality ?
We can have a good or ok hull material but the construction methods need to be up to snuff .
I have a belief that the Ferro - Cement hulls faced doom because the skill need to build was grossly under estimated. This lead to unsafe conditions. The speed performance was also less than expected. I think people will make an allowance for slow and underperformance and live with a hull that keeps them safe. Safety is high performance.
Good Day, Lou
All our welds are full penetration. The chine and centreline edges come together at an angle, leaving a wide open, roughly 25 degree angle to fill. Weld the inside then gouge out the slag from the outside, to clean metal showing no cracks , before filling it. The last boat we ground a 1/16th inch 45 degree angle on the joining corners, which wont stop full penetration, but made welding, without blowing thru , much easier.

I would not want a pool at the expense of someone else's cruising dreams. Their success is mine.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent I think would be unlikely your clients wouldn't trade their boat a a heartbeat for a waterline if offered. I also think having all the comforts you eschew markly enhances the cruising experience. If you do not I'm afraid Bob is correct you are delusional.
I agree the sun shines on us all the same but it's sure nice to run the A.C. and have ice in your drink when it shines too bright.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I may want to build a dingy someday. I first need to figure out what I want. This thinking about what I want has been going on for at least a year. It is sidetracked with I already have boats to sail. Sailing is better than building. The shear number of boats that have been built and engineered is amazing ! As I learn my taste change.
I would love to have Bob or PCP and others help and they have already. Even the late wolf will not be forgotten. I do not think I will ever go for a full keel but who can know for sure ? I can not settle on what I want, only what I know I do not. A dingy is a learning teaching craft.
Ferro-Cement It would be a one of a kind.
Steal: I think will just be to heavy.
Aluminum : might have a chance I have not eliminated it.
Wood : has a slight chance Glen L has some good construction tips and boats
Fiberglass; It would seem to be at the top of my list.
Other; what else is a possibility ? My $ and my ability and time have limits.
The rig and sails will be from an FJ
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Friend of my father in law built a steel 55 foot trawler. Took it from n.e. to FLA lived on it a couple of years then sold it. Said he had just as much fun building it as using it. Another friend did up tooling for a38 foot pilot house cutter. Had a small production run. Just enough to defray cost of mold. Went off sailing. Came back and said developing the boat was just as much fun as sailing. In short from what I've seen unless the building is great fun for you ( and it can be) go work,save and then get a boat.
Personally I like woodworking and enjoy building furniture. When my sailing days are over can see myself building small craft. Probably cold molded kayaks,shells and such. Maybe some stitch n glue to start. But like you sailing is too much fun and time is too short.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I would love to build. Like you said time is short. I also like to sail and some other things pull at the short time we have. It is not always how good one is... it is how much fun can be had. A pro can play a game and have a bad time and a kid can have the best time, Lets all be like kids for 2014
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My pool and someone else's cruising dreams have nothing in common.
What a bizarre thing to say.

The sign of a very feeble mind.
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