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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Yes Bob, while you were talking about boat design inside the warm comfort of an office ,I was out actually cruising full time ,experiencing in the real wold how things work or don't work, something you have never done. My comments are based on decades of first hand ,hands on experience , both cruising and building, not purely on something I read somewhere.
.Your implication that theory is more reliable than experienced reality ,is like saying that future weather forecasts are more accurate and reliable than yesterdays weather record! That's laughable!
Bob, I must admit, I'm more than a little surprised that you've never experienced "in the real wo[r]ld [sic] how things work or don't work". I'm sure that if the world knew this little secret, all of your wildly popular and award-winning boats across the entire spectrum of yacht types from cruising to racing to mono to multi to FG to steel...and on and on...would suddenly come under a cloud of great suspicion.

One good thing has finally come out of the above post. BS has finally admitted he's not a designer. Just a cruiser and builder.

I'd call that progress.


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I admit that if I had spent years cruising there would be many things I would know more about. Kind of like how if BS had spent time working in a recognized design office he would have learned more about design. I also think that I might have benefitted by working a few years in a yacht building facility. Of course I should have worked for a custom boat builder and a production factory so I got the full spectrum of build experiences. But I didn't. Not dure how that would have impacted my work. Siometimes I think I am a better designer because I don't think how hard a detail is to build. I just draw it and let the builder worry. These are things I have thought about a lot over the years.

But unfortunately or fortunately I made my choices and in hindsite they seem to have worked out just fine. I have had students from all over the world in my office serving interships so they could graduate from their schools. Someone out there must think I know what I am doing. My clients do. I do. I'm never ashamed to admit what I don't know. I don't have to pretend to be anything that I am not. I know a lot and what I don't know I almost always know where to find the answer. I'm never shy about picking up the phone.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Here's today's work. I think Outbound will like this one. It's still a work in progress but it is shaping up. Check out the curved house sides.


My boat (CS 36 Merlin) is more angular than curved on the topsides. I find it aesthetically a bit harsh..

One thing I do like about it is that since the transitions between surfaces aren't large, it seems that I have more horizontal or near-horizontal surfaces to stand on..

My feet seem to understand: "Now I am on the flat, angled part transitioning to the foredeck... Adjust accordingly"

Does this make sense?

It just seems to me that I have better balance on my boat with the angular topsides..

On a similar note, my friend's 1D35 has a large, curved transition between the deck and hull.. There are no rails.

This is great for hiking.

This also a great way to lose things over the side..

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Denda:
That is exactly what we have been playing with all day. We need to strike a balance between what works and what looks best. We have been fiddling with ways to end the lower cabin trunk forward. We either have a distinct step and that gives us a squared off look to the front of the house. Or we go with a slope, a "ramp". The trouble comes when the end of the house is neither a step nor a ramp but something inbetween. We are still mucking around with it. My old Esprit had a ramp with a 14 degree slope to it. It worked perfectly. Just have to convince the client.

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Bob, as I see it, being a vertical surface, a step always looks, aesthetically, like it should have something in it (generally portlights of some description) whereas a ramp, even a fairly steeply-sloped ramp, doesn't have this problem.

..so the question is, do you plan to have any windows in it - or is it solid as drawn?

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The treatment of the forward end of the trunk is still up in the air. My plan was a sloped ramp with a hatch cut into the camber. Windows are always hard. You have an indea how you want them, shped then you have to fit that idea with the accomodations and bulkheads. We'll do the windows when we have all the contours established.

I should say that I am envious of BS's skill with tools. I can't build anything. It's not even a matter of no training in that area. To begin with I really do not like to get my hands dirty. No, really I don't. And watching my beloved son Spike work in metal I saw a patience with materials that I don't have. I get fusterated too easily when things don't work right. Spike had a calm patience that allowed him to quietly produce the design he had made and not get mad when things didn't work out exactly as he had them planned.

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I taught Spike to draw out his designs. His drawings are pure art. His level of creativty still awes me. Tomorrow will be his birthday. If you think of it raise a glass to Spike tomorrow. He wasn't a drinker but when he drank he preferred rum.
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It's beautiful .
To paraphrase Mikey " I like it "

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Thanks Out. We had to drag Phil kicking and screaming into 2014. " I don't want 3D modelling!" But in no time that turned into, "Oh,,,that's nice. Now what if we ,,,,,,,?"

I can't imagine doing any refined design work today without the benefits of 3D modelling.
It's a very powerful design tool and I happen to have working with me the very best guy, Jody Culbertson III.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob,

Is there not a thread in CA on this new boat? I thunk there was, but could not find it over the weekend.

David, I like our Castro designs! Yeah maybe a bit angular at times.....but I still like them.

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Marty:
Those Castro boats are good looking by any standard. And they sail well. What's not to like?
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