Originally Posted by Dean101
The people I see criticizing you are including statements that can be verified. They are citing scientific theory that is widely known and accepted. They are not spouting contradictory statements and backing it up by repeating your endless experience with cruising, designing, and building steel boats. They are posting pictures of their work while you keep talking. The only option I've seen you share is origami steel done your way. Everything else is either infinitely inferior, too expensive, or seriously outdated.
Certainly your method is an option and yes, steel is a seriously tough material. I haven't seen anyone dispute that. What I have seen is people with engineering and/or design experience question your claims or ask you to back up those claims with tangible proof and all you do is tell them they don't know anything because they have zero experience with steel. I'm very interested in options and definitely interested in saving money, but quite frankly, I want a boat that looks good. What I don't want are mismatched portlights because the local salvage shop had 3 of these and 5 of those. I want a winch that works dependably and wont abrade a line rather than some old transmission gears cobbled up in a reinforced tin can.
There is nothing wrong with repurposing things but you are going to have to prove to me with more than just words that your average client can turn out a decent looking boat that's capable of withstanding the abuse you seem to feel a boat needs to be able to take at the price points you're talking about in the time frames you quote.
But honestly, after seeing how you react towards anybody that questions you on any point, I wouldn't trust my life to your designs without first getting a second and possibly third opinion elsewhere. And no, I'm not falling for your benevolent benefactor act either. It's all about Brent Swain.
Oh, and just to let you know, your decades old designs would probably be considered outdated.
Widely accepted scientific theory, until quite recently, said that bees were incapable of flying. Tell the bees that!
During my lifetime, it said that matter couldn't be destroyed. It said there a was no water on the moon, and that other stars didn't have any planets. Widely accepted "scientific theory" is constantly being disproven and revised. If it never was, we would still be stuck in the stone age.
Every bit of human progress involved going against the widely accepted ways of doing things, and thinking. Without doing so, we would still be stuck in the stone age.
You remind me of the foreman I once worked for, who told me "Invention is dead. Everything there is to invent, has already been invented."
That was in 1968! Has nothing been invented since then?
Yet some still make that claim today , as they have made it since the stone age
I have never used old gears or tin cans to build an anchor winch, nor advocated such. My current anchor rode is decades old, with no serious chafe problems.
And you call my posts misleading? Looks like the pot calling the kettle black.
Tangible proof is Silas Crosby, just returned from Cape Horn and the Aleutians, almost looking like she has just come out of the boatyard. Tangible proof are his comments on his boat. Tangible proof is Viski, having survived pounding across 300 yards of Fijian coral reef in big surf, then being dragged by a tug across the same 300 yards of reef, with almost zero damage . Tangible proof is the 38 boats I have built, the roughly 38 Evan has built, the half dozen Ken Splett has built ,the many who have built their own, or hired others to hep build them, the circumnavigations and long offshore voyages over decades, all with zero structural damage of any kind. Tangible proof is the photos posted on BD.net of the first of my 36 footers pounding in up to12 ft surf for 16 days, with minimal damage. Tangible proof is Winston's single season passage thru the NW passage with zero dents or damage of any kind.
No, writing down a bunch of numbers doesn't prove anything . Ask investors in Briex, Nortel, AIG ,Bernie Made-Off's scam etc. how reliable a proof numbers gives one.
The photos of my boats on the origamiboats site are proof of how good looking most of them are. Don't see any mismatched port lights there, so again your post misleads.
Sounds like you are heading for a project which will take far more time with far lesser results than it need take. Go ahead, no skin off my ass. Just don't encourage others to be so naïve
Don't believe anything this guy posts!