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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Widely accepted scientific theory, until quite recently, said that bees were incapable of flying. Tell the bees that!
During my lifetime, it said that matter couldn't be destroyed. It said there a was no water on the moon, and that other stars didn't have any planets. Widely accepted "scientific theory" is constantly being disproven and revised. If it never was, we would still be stuck in the stone age.
Every bit of human progress involved going against the widely accepted ways of doing things, and thinking. Without doing so, we would still be stuck in the stone age.
You remind me of the foreman I once worked for, who told me "Invention is dead. Everything there is to invent, has already been invented."
That was in 1968! Has nothing been invented since then?
Yet some still make that claim today , as they have made it since the stone age
I have never used old gears or tin cans to build an anchor winch, nor advocated such. My current anchor rode is decades old, with no serious chafe problems.
And you call my posts misleading? Looks like the pot calling the kettle black.
Tangible proof is Silas Crosby, just returned from Cape Horn and the Aleutians, almost looking like she has just come out of the boatyard. Tangible proof are his comments on his boat. Tangible proof is Viski, having survived pounding across 300 yards of Fijian coral reef in big surf, then being dragged by a tug across the same 300 yards of reef, with almost zero damage . Tangible proof is the 38 boats I have built, the roughly 38 Evan has built, the half dozen Ken Splett has built ,the many who have built their own, or hired others to hep build them, the circumnavigations and long offshore voyages over decades, all with zero structural damage of any kind. Tangible proof is the photos posted on BD.net of the first of my 36 footers pounding in up to12 ft surf for 16 days, with minimal damage. Tangible proof is Winston's single season passage thru the NW passage with zero dents or damage of any kind.
No, writing down a bunch of numbers doesn't prove anything . Ask investors in Briex, Nortel, AIG ,Bernie Made-Off's scam etc. how reliable a proof numbers gives one.
The photos of my boats on the origamiboats site are proof of how good looking most of them are. Don't see any mismatched port lights there, so again your post misleads.
Sounds like you are heading for a project which will take far more time with far lesser results than it need take. Go ahead, no skin off my ass. Just don't encourage others to be so naive
Wow....Just....wow. Didn't you know that there is a difference between theory and fact? And for someone who is now preaching about innovation and disproving theory, how much have you changed about your designs to improve them since you drew them decades ago? I mean, all I would have to go on is your word. Your clients on the other hand may have changed a few things but I seriously doubt you have. To hear you talk, it's a wonder that man ever crossed an ocean before you came along. All those calculations you are so fond of mocking prove to me that the guy that designed the boat understands not only what does work but why it works and has done their best to make sure that it all works together as a complete unit rather than building something that looks like a boat out of the strongest material they can find in the hopes that it will hold together through poor seamanship or just plain bad luck. And don't twist my sarcasm into a misleading comment.

And I'm not so naïve as to trust the word of anybody, much less a designer/builder/cruiser with a lifetime of experience who would trust an anchor rode that is decades old.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

WHen I was in college, there were two kingdoms.......daughter at 16, comes home and says there are 5 kingdoms.....hmmmmmm....plant and animal, good.......now bacteria, have been added, not part of plants as I learned, Moss and fungi were another........vs in plant....... may have to look it up......reality is, things change...........I could say whom it does not change for........but I might be told BS.......so with that, time for bed.

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Damn! Now I have a busy day ahead of me. A client at 9:30am and another one late this afternoon (from Vancouver Brent). I'm not sure how I'm going to fit in feeling guilty about my indoor swimming pool.

If it makes you feel any better BS it's not a big pool. It's 60' long, 8' wide and 6' deep. It's for swimming laps. I like it most because my grandaughter, Violet, loves to go swimming when she comes to visit. I heat it to 85 degs f.
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Uh-oh...looks like Violet got hung up in some Fukushima Debris. That stuff is EVERYWHERE!
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Hey Mr. Watch your language around my grandaughter.

Fukashima you!
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Same to you pal. Like I give a fukushima.

(I think we're onto something here.)
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What the fukushima????
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Here is where we are on the new boat project. It's coming along nicely. I realize there is very little BS in it but I'm not sure that BS fits the look and market we are after.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

D-mn it only has one wheel and no chines. Paulo not going to like it either but that's alright I (and my pick up truck driving brethren) love it.
Ask Phil about pick up trucks. You'll get a smile. Also you guys need to get a move on. I'm expecting a beefy brace for my hard bimini to come over with the first delivery in August. (GRIN). Once that's done I hope to be "outta here".
?Do you have mock ups of the interior. Phil has truly refined the interior of the 46' to be a very liveable boat. He truly picked out the best features that each owner suggested and incorporated them in the next boat. For instance the mast steps are named after my bride.
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Wow....Just....wow. Didn't you know that there is a difference between theory and fact? And for someone who is now preaching about innovation and disproving theory, how much have you changed about your designs to improve them since you drew them decades ago? I mean, all I would have to go on is your word. Your clients on the other hand may have changed a few things but I seriously doubt you have. To hear you talk, it's a wonder that man ever crossed an ocean before you came along. All those calculations you are so fond of mocking prove to me that the guy that designed the boat understands not only what does work but why it works and has done their best to make sure that it all works together as a complete unit rather than building something that looks like a boat out of the strongest material they can find in the hopes that it will hold together through poor seamanship or just plain bad luck. And don't twist my sarcasm into a misleading comment.

And I'm not so naïve as to trust the word of anybody, much less a designer/builder/cruiser with a lifetime of experience who would trust an anchor rode that is decades old.
The first origami boat I built had a chine running full length. On the second one we eliminated the chine in the bow , by welding the bottom plate to the topside plate, before pulling it together. On the second one we eliminated the chine at both ends, by cutting the bottom plate in half and welding each half to the topside plate, before pulling it together. Then we started using 8 by 36 ft plates , eliminating this seam and 32 feet of matching and welding in the process. Then we began welding bulwark pipes and longitudinal stringers on while the plate was flat on the ground, and welding all deck beams and stringers on, on a work bench, before installing them, eliminating a lot of overhead welding. I cringe when I se people advocating still dong this welding overhead, in place, when it is so unnecessary,(unless you like that kind of hot shower) Then more clients started using stainless sch 40 pipe for bulwark caps, eliminating a lot of maintenance. We switched to using zinc rich cold galvanizing primer, to eliminate the need for sandblasting. My boat was done that way, and after 29 years 95% of the paint is as good as the day I put it on. Then we began using the centreline as tankage, most of the tankage already being there, in the form of the hull bottom. This gave us a triangulated, super strong point to attach the keel supports to, where the tank top meets the hull plate, both well curved. Then we went for 3x3x1/2 inch angles from the chine to this solid point for keel supports.
We put a small window in the top of the tanks, so one could at any time, lift the floor boards, and see right to the bottom of the tanks.
We turned the back of the single keel into a 70 gallon diesel tank, with a similar window in top.
I started putting a small window by the forepeak bunk which allows you to see outside while laying in your bunk, and enabling you to see if you are dragging anchor or not, b y simply opening one eye.
If you have zero chafe on a nylon braid anchor line it is almost as good as the day you bought it. This business of throwing perfectly good gear away simply because of its age ,when there is nothing wrong with it is a suckers game , promoted by the ship swindlers. People who get suckered into that kind of foolishness spend a lot more of their lives working, and a lot less playing .No one ever lay on their death bed saying "I wish I had worked more." Don't believe any post from anyone who promotes such gullibility, or anyone who misleads one into believing I have ever advocated building an anchor winch out of tin cans. Compulsive liars, all too often, have cost people their cruising dreams, and too much of their freedom!

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