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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

There used to be a Passport 47 at the Seycove Marina in Deep Cove. I cant tell you how much time I have spent looking at her whenever down there and wishing she was mine. I have also seen 1 of Brents here in BC but I couldnt bother with a second look.
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Heck Delite, you should have offerred the Passport 47 owner $39,500 you might have owned the boat!

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Or if you prefer Cantonese:
Gong hay fat choy!
Every time I hear that I can't help wondering who fat Choy is.

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Every time I hear that I can't help wondering who fat Choy is.
Sloop, 'Fat Choy' is a passing sarcastic reference to Cheoy Lee yachts. They are steel and usually look kinda tubby... ..but of course you knew that already, didn't you?!?

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That's funny Classic.

I don't speak Cantonese. I know a few phrases but there are somewhere between 7 and 11 tones in Canoneses and that's why when you hear a comedian trying to replicate Chinese language they are all sing song. That's roughly the sound ofCantonese. I could not begin to deal with even 7 tones. Mandarin, on the other hand, has four distinct tones. I can handle four tones and I actually do quite well for someone who is self taught. But I've been teaching myself for 30 years. I have embarrassed myself so many times I've lost count. The wrong tone at the wrong time completely changes the word.
"No sir, you can't have sex in the restaurant." (true story) But I plug along and generally get good reception to my efforts. It's quite rewarding.

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We hosted Asian students for a number of years and I always noticed how surprised & pleased they & their parents were by any effort we made to learn & observe any of their cultural practices.

I don't think they see much of it from Gwai Lo.

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Sloop, 'Fat Choy' is a passing sarcastic reference to Cheoy Lee yachts. They are steel and usually look kinda tubby... ..but of course you knew that already, didn't you?!?

I've never seen nor heard of a Cheoy Lee built in steel. Any I have seen were plastic with teak ( dead vegetation ) foolishly bolted all over it.

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Brent - you are so obviously full of crap it's pathetic. Here, have a look at the listings for a few Passport 47s:

Passport Yacht for Sale Brokerage - Bluenose Yacht Sales, Charter RI | Bluenose Yacht Sales

There are SEVEN of them on that one page alone. The lowest price is $319K with this little rejoinder:




Either your friend thinks you're an idiot - or you can't hear worth a damn - or he's lying to you to get you out of his hair and watch you make a fool of yourself on SN.

EVERY BS boat we've pulled up for sale is either not selling (Silas Crosby, BS Cutter in Mex) or has been dropping like a stone in price (Xenos, Dove II, BS Pilot House in Mex) - because no one wants them. Silas Crosby has the highest asking price of all these at $73K. And that ain't gonna happen. The only high sale prices we've EVER seen come from your mouth - along with all the other crap you spew.

If you can't prove it...it's BS.
Ask the guy on the Passport 47 ( Adeso)at the gas dock in Comox how much he paid for her. He will tell you the same thing he told me. $137K

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Hmmmm - 500 hours to do the hull & deck but BS can do a hull in two days - lets be generous and say 2 X 15 hour days or 30 hours.

That leaves 470 hours for the deck - WITH a helper.

Unless that helper was REALLY good at getting in the way, I'd say the numbers don't compute.

I kind of think that the 2 day figure BS keeps throwing out is for just folding the fully prepared metal up and tacking it together - MAYBE fully welding it.

A hell of a long way from building a hull & deck although even 500 hours for a fully welded hull & deck is nothing to sneeze at - I daresay a custom glass hull that size would have 500 hours just in sanding and fairing.
I worked a couple of weeks in June of that year getting the shell together. Then a couple of weeks of detail work There is no way I worked 3 months of 40 hour weeks on Silas Crosby. I went cruising most of that summer. I haven't worked that much since the mid 70s
I put the decks on a 36 on Quadra Island ,after digging the plate out of the tall grass, uncut, in 8 hours .Ask Dale Deforest of NY Olympia how long it took to get the shell together. 2 days for the hull. The steel came Thursday afternoon, and by 11 pm Friday the hull was together, the longitudinals and bulwark caps on, and the transom in .Decks took a day.
Yes, that is just tacked together , but instead of the 180 feet of chine welds you would have to do on a triple chine hull ,you have only 28 feet of chine, total, to weld and grind. A round bilged hull would be far more seams to cut weld and grind. On my hulls, there is zero fairing to do.

Then you could always ask a plastic boat builder if he could built a plastic 36 ft shell for the $9K in steel it takes to do the shell of a 36. Welding rod is an extra $350.

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Comox? That's where my new consultation client lives. He had some choice words to say about Brent's boats. But to each his own I guess.

"On my hulls, there is zero fairing to do. "
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