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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent, I have a question about your origami process - does it necessitate the spoon bow shape they all seem to share?

I'm curious if other bow shapes - straight, plumb, clipper are possible or if the process "forces" the spoon shape.

Similarly, the stern - can they be double ended for example?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent:
I have made some of my classic pasta marinara sauce for my intern. I wish you were here to enjoy it with us. But I've seen your posts about eating meat preserved in cooking oil and I say, "Eweeeeeeeee". You would like my pasta. And after dinner we could go outside and have a real heart to heart chat. I find little guys like you wilt so quickly face to face. I have been there.

But it real would be fun to open a bottle of nice wine with you and enjoy a meal. But you don't drink. Huh? What are you scared of? My friends and I enjoy some wine. We let down. We play some music. We give each other shitski. It's what we do. We call it "having a good time".

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I love this clip - it just seems to fit Brent's philosophy so perfectly. I wish my boats were so easy to move around.

It tends to support his statements about his boats riding over reefs and so forth.

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The keels are braced and the boat is on skids and I'm guessing it's not been ballasted since it's towing so easily. So it's bashing it's way through 100 yards of grass

I've seen larger steel sailboats cut in half for transport ! and although keels don't unbolt like some composite craft, welded keels can be cut off and then re-attached later in the yard quite cheaply and quickly. I have a few interesting pics of getting large boats moved and creative solutions.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Park benches were his idea, not mine. I would never build a boat that way. I like cockpits. I offered him all the design support the builder needed ,and he ignored the plans I sold him. It did give him a huge aft cabin. All designers have had that problem, like the builder of the Perry design, who refused Bob's advice to have lifelines.
Not everyone has style over substance priorities, as you suggest they all do. Not all accept the programming ,and some actually think for themselves.There really are more practical people looking for a boat. For anyone looking for a well built twin keeler in that size range, she is the only one on the market here in long time.
Really? That's not what you said over on your origami site about this very same boat:

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brentswain38: She is extremely well built and well equipped, a deal at that price. I saw the aluminium mast on deck just before stepping, not all that long ago. You wont find a better steel boat at a better price.
Are you EVER honest Brent? Seriously. Your duplicity is amazing.

Either that, or you truly do think everyone on your origami site are suckers that will believe anything you tell them.

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I've seen larger steel sailboats cut in half for transport ! and although keels don't unbolt like some composite craft, welded keels can be cut off and then re-attached later in the yard quite cheaply and quickly. I have a few interesting pics of getting large boats moved and creative solutions.
Well? Pics or it didn't happen.

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Brent:
I have made some of my classic pasta marinara sauce for my intern. I wish you were here to enjoy it with us. But I've seen your posts about eating meat preserved in cooking oil and I say, "Eweeeeeeeee". You would like my pasta. And after dinner we could go outside and have a real heart to heart chat. I find little guys like you wilt so quickly face to face. I have been there.

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I kind of think so.

Just finished a nice dinner with Will, my intern. From my point of view everything seems all right.

Emailed his dad. Told him that I had his kid taken care of. My skills include parenting skills. I'm pretty damn good at it. I am in my comfort zone.

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Be honest now Bob - how often did your wife have to yank your leash today?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Frankly, I don't see anything there that couldn't be done with one of Brent's boats. All the negative comments about his boats are essentially the fault of the finishing or lack of artistry in the deck structures - the same things that cause the bad rep of amateur completed boats in any material.

A builder with a good eye could finish one to a yacht standard I think.

Of course, I don't particularly like chines so.....
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