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I can relate to that. Some times you have to let your client have his way.

"I see, you want ratty looking park benches where I want a cockpit? Well, you just go for it."

Brent is two faced. He attacks me because some of the features of my designs are client driven then he says, "That is not the way I would have doe it, so I let Evan do the job. " I understand totally but you can't argue both ways. Unless you are someone who lives in dual universes.
I know several people with Colvin Gazelles, and other designs , who love their park benches . Not my cuppa tea. I like feeling like I'm IN my boat rather than ON it, especially in rough weather.
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But it's your design Brent. Surely you must be responsable for every detail.
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That's funny. Kim went back and forth with fonts and then told the graphics guy to use the font I had used on the drawings. I don't know squat about fonts and I always a assume the owner will pick his font. I just grabbed a font off acad that looked simple and clean and used it on my drawings. I probably gave the font about 15 seconds of thought.

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Of course you may. But right now we only have some bad photos due to the rain and bad light at the time. I'm going to go down to see Frankie on Saturday with my intern and I'll get some good photos. I'll see what I can dig up now. But I am very hard at work on the PSC 62'er tis afternoon.

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" Reality kinda blows your theory. "

Wow, here we are 24 hours later and you are still up tight. Do you ever just relax and let the anger go? I'm not sure you are the right person to be lecturing others on "reality" not with your track record of lies.
I am looking out the window at a beautiful indoor swimming pool, with a dry sauna and a steam room , fully equipped gym, with all the gear imaginable , a big hot tub and Olympic sized swimming pool. I just got out of there. Cost me $6.25, total . Love that socialism . I couldn't possibly be more relaxed!
It's your assumption that not putting up with bull, means I'm angry and uptight, which is dead wrong! Nothing could possibly be further from the truth. I love shooting sitting ducks like you and your groupies off a fence , not because I'm angry ,but because I enjoy it, and it relaxes me.

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Do I need to post more photos of my beautiful boats that are owned by very experienced cruisers. Not the beans and rice crowd you target but cruisers who can afford the best design and the best build. I can post nice photos all night while you just get smaller and smaller.
Bob, you do have some beautiful and relatively functional plastic boats, with function somewhat diminished by some decorative priorities . You also have some dainty , impractical ones, with decorative function only, ones which I, or anyone with offshore, long term cruising experience, would ever dream of wanting, for long term cruising purposes , like the one you just posted .
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I've only seen people state that "Pound for pound" they are - which they are.
I can think of several 36 ft wooden and plastic boats, in the same weight category, or heavier than mine, which would never survive 16 days on a Baja beach in huge surf ,or which would never survive pounding across 300 yards of Fijian coral reef, a collision with a freighter, a hull speed t-boning of a steel barge , log boom, a single season passage thru the NW passage, ramming thru a quarter mile of 5 inch ice. etc. I cant think of any wooden sail boat which would survive such tests . Joshua's experience on a Baja beach, and that of Pygmalion, a sister ship, are more examples. Reality kinda blows your theory.
The thing is that wood and plastic boats "in your weight category" are NOT built that heavily, they carry a lot more ballast. A comparable epoxy laminated wood boat would have a hull several inches thick, which no-one does.

Years ago a Spencer 1330 T-boned an ISLAND around here - ran headfirst into a cliff at night - the island lost. Spencers were not built to an equivalent Lbs per Sq. Ft. weight to one of your steelers.

As you well know, the practical minimum dimensions for plating a steel boat are WAY in excess of what is needed for appropriate strength. Small steel boats are inherently massively overbuilt.

In other materials that is not the case and the thickness/strength ratios can be adjusted to be (choose one) suitable or sufficient or appropriate for the size of boat.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.

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I prefer to define "Amateur "as the priorities of someone with little cruising experience .
Brent, might I suggest a review of my beloved OED?

Amateur: A person who engages in a pursuit (e.g. an art or sport) as a pastime rather than a profession.

Don't confuse amateur with inexperience. There are lots of very experienced amateurs and inexperienced professionals out there.

I'm an amateur bottom painter but I sure as hell ain't inexperienced.
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Bob, you do have some beautiful and relatively functional plastic boats, with function somewhat diminished by some decorative priorities . You also have some dainty , impractical ones, with decorative function only, ones which I, or anyone with offshore, long term cruising experience, would ever dream of wanting, for long term cruising purposes , like the one you just posted .
Brent, that boat was specifically designed as a fast daysailer with only overnight accommodations. For that specified purpose it is an amazing piece, albeit a mite extreme.

Do you use suitability for long term offshore cruising, particularly at high latitudes, as your ONLY criteria when looking at boats?

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Ok, I'm going to have some fun tonight and post some pics of some of my boats you guys will never see. The DARK SIDE!




You see Brent, I have more boats inside my imagination that you could ever dream of. I have lots just waiting to bust out. I design boats., all kinds of boats. Like this ANGUILA Class 30'er for a Doctor in Anguila. Thgis boat is designed to a traditional Anguilan Island class. Racing is very serious.
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Bob: I love Concerto! What was the design brief for that boat? She looks kind of like someone wanted a power Valiant. I love the way it all comes together. What was the owner going for?
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