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We sat in the slowly filling cockpit, sipping on a bottle of fine whisky and staring off into the wild waves and night. Boozing was the worst thing a couple of hypothermic boys can do, but there is the matter of style. I was resigned to the inevitable …
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

That's damn depressing. That boat was almost 30 years old if memory serves and a fairly nicely built muti chine, conically developed version of a Passport 40. Maybe if it had one of Brent's steel companionway doors it would have survived. Maybe.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I doubt it Bob, It wasnt just the companion way it was the other hatches, stove chimney and mast and port holes being ripped right out.Lots of gaping holes.What struck me about it is it was that the hull material really didnt matter the boat sank anyway.I guess if you are into playing bumper cars with ledges ,running aground alot,reef smashing,demo derbys etc steal is the way to go, I guess.Im enjoying the book Bob.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bummer. Another steel boat goes down.

Had they built it out of fiberglass it would have been fine.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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A little known disadvantage of having a steel boat is that in the event of a lightning strike the boat can become strongly magnetised rendering all onboard compasses useless. Ask me how I know this!
It's not common, the majority of steel boats struck get no extra deviation and when they do it's temporary. But it is something you need to be aware of.

I've seen up to 35 degrees extra deviation after a strike on a steel coastal fishing boat. The effect had gone after a few days. Dangerous though if you didn't know. GPS derived headings are still accurate so it's easy to check.

I hadn't yet heard of a sailboat where this happened.

Usually lightening problems are much worse on non conductive hulls from hull fittings blown out when no lightening path installed. The bolt tries to follow a thin wire, vaporizes it and then uses the ionized gas path as the conductor. The wire leads to the transducer which gets blown out in the process.

I'd put surviving lightening strike as a big plus for metal boats. You have the same protection as being in a road vehicle.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Came back yesterday from helping a friend bring his outbound from BVI to the adult day camp at George Town. Was struck by how many steel boats where in there growing beards at the waterline. Most were hard chine but some beautifully executed. Several were fully developed hulls and gorgeous. Still when going by in the ding you could tell they were steel. Few flags on the sterns were U.S. mostly Canadian but clearly these boats can and do voyage. Huge variations in designs. The ability to execute a boat without the need for expensive tooling and molds is a significant advantage for metal boats.
It's unfortunate this thread has focused on origami as I did NOT see a SINGLE origami boat.
Brent- The world wants to know- other then yourself who do you respect as a steel boat designer/N.A.? Particularly interested in if you respect anyone building in plate and frame construction.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Here a nice story about a steel boat:
A big, bad, breaking wave caught us sideways and rolled the boat through 360 degrees. The hatches collapsed; the heater chimney was ripped clean off; the mast snapped at deck level and water poured in everywhere. Our inflatable dinghy was torn in half. Paul was reading in his forward bunk when we were struck … He came looking for me. I was upside down, unconscious and under a metre of water, in the shower room. My scalp was split open and there was a lot of blood. … He hauled me to my feet and I came to quickly but had very little understanding of events. I kept asking Paul, ‘What ocean are we in?’ …[According to Paul, the boat was upside down for several minutes.]

We had trouble activating our emergency beacon. … I was deathly cold, sitting in the cockpit. My clothes were soaked and I shivered uncontrollably. It was getting dark and I knew I would not make it through the night. The boat was taking on water [probably through the sink outlet and the loo, although Pete didn’t realise it at the time], the batteries were flooded and no pumps were working. We were sinking. After two hours there was no sign of rescue, nor had we any idea whether or not our signal was received by anyone. Paul found a 2-way radio and I transmitted our mayday message. No answer.
We sat in the slowly filling cockpit, sipping on a bottle of fine whisky and staring off into the wild waves and night. Boozing was the worst thing a couple of hypothermic boys can do, but there is the matter of style. I was resigned to the inevitable …

The boat was awash now and I told Paul to get ready. Two more waves and she went down. We stepped up into the ocean with no sign of a helicopter in sight but I held the strobe light beacon in one hand and tried to keep my head clear of the breaking waves. I drank a lot of sea water. Then, a lovely sight. Searchlights on the water from the low-flying helicopter coming towards us.
The pilots hovered clear of the huge waves and dropped one swimmer on a cable and then another. These brave boys hauled us to safety.

Everything was at the limit. The helicopter’s range, our ability to stay afloat, our strength, our hopes. They did it and we survived.

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They should have made a movie about it - if it starred Robert Redford, they might have won an Oscar.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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No he doesn't.
I have a piano in my office and I don't play.
A home is not a home without a piano.
I have plenty of friends that play.
My piano was once my Dad's piano.
I like it.
I recall in the other lace you were an admirer of Thunderhead (The Rhodes Cutter). Original owner is a good friend. When his dad built it one concession to Mom was to have an organ on board as shown below. Current owners have documented her very nicely on a website.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Mr. Mann:
Yes, THUNDERHEAD has been a top favorite of mine going back to when I was a teenager. I have always been a Rhodes fan. CARINA just might be my all time Fav.

Many thanks for the link.

Looks like a small Hammond organ but I can't be sure. The stops look like Hammond stops.
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