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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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"Solo sailor Andrew Halcrow was airlifted by a Chilean Navy helicopter from his 32ft steel yacht on March 8th after he was dismasted in breaking seas west of Cape Horn. "
Damn, sounds like he should have gone with a STEEL mast, huh?
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I'll keep an eye out for you.
Looks like we got a PHRF rating of -7 with spin.

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Denda:
I'll keep an eye out for you.
Looks like we got a PHRF rating of -7 with spin.
Heh Heh...

You and Kim should be very proud.

I hope he races her a bit. I'm looking forward having my butt kicked by her.

We'll have the camera ready and be watching. Shouldn't be two hard to pick her out.

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Denda:
The plan now is that we will be leaving the dock at Shilshole around 10:30 am. We'll do a short, maybe 2 hour sail, just to see what is working and what is not. It's a simple rig and deck layout so I think our problems will be minimal but there is always something that can be tweaked to work better.

The bad news is that If I had stayed in NC over the weekend I could have seen David Allen Coe appearing at a local bar. I may not get that close to seeing him again. That's a shame. He's a fav of mine.

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Skipper and I just decided we're gonna chase you down. We'll bring the good camera.

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Denda:
That would be superb! It will be so nice to have a boat to sail against that we know well.

Feel free to come on over and take a look at the boat if you like.
We should be at G 33 or something close to there.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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"Solo sailor Andrew Halcrow was airlifted by a Chilean Navy helicopter from his 32ft steel yacht on March 8th after he was dismasted in breaking seas west of Cape Horn. "

From cruising compass.

Not always the hull that matters. Read reports seems dismastings, blow out portlights, inversions/knock downs, crew fatigue and injuries/illness etc. as likely or more likely scenarios for boat abandonment. This is reason I have repetitively asked Brent for statistics on RM, point of vanishing stability, GS graph etc. In absence of same his statements of sea worthiness are simple hearsay.
Was he on a Brentboat? To be fair, I have never heard of one being lost or abandoned. Well, not after being completed anyway.

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That would be superb! It will be so nice to have a boat to sail against that we know well.

Feel free to come on over and take a look at the boat if you like.
We should be at G 33 or something close to there.

Look forward to this even more now you will be there.
Me too...

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

That sounds like a great rating for 'gentleman's daysailor'. That is pretty comparable with a J-160 SD which rates -9 around here. I am surprised that you have a -7 rating. On the East Coast PHRF ratings are award in 3 second increments.

I am not sure there is any relevance in this, but originally the PHRF baseline '0' rating was based on a 12 meter of the era, which was considered to be the fastest race boat of that day. Of course you can see how times have changed when a short handed 63 footer is seven seconds a mile faster than a fully crewed, 72 foot, grand prix race boat.

I will love to see the photos, and hear how she sails.

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What would you estimate the negative impact would be on righting moment with a steel mast?
Typed at 30,000ft in 1st Class coming home from NC after spending four days visiting the 63ft ketch with my Canadian buddy Tim. We get home late tonight, decompress tomorrow and sail Kim's boat for the first time on saturday.

I am not ready for ugly boats, steel or ferro.��
The 6 inch OD by 11guage wall thickness steel tube which we use, is in the same weight ball park as the fir box section mast normally used on a boat this size, and the same weigh ball park as a solid grown mast commonly used on a boat this size. Being able to weld tangs and fittings on reduces the amount of metal in them. Submerged, the mast has a buoyancy almost equal to its dry weight, adding considerably to it's contribution to righting moment. If it breaks then it's weight is not resisting righting moment .

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