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this thread does bring out the absolutes.
one thing i will say for anti-establishment, stinkfoot, broke-as-a-joke, more-time-than-money sailors is that they don't go crying to mom and dad and threaten to leave when someone disagrees with them, then announce they are leaving, then announce that they have left.... and then keep posting.

They just keep posting.
They don't need to go crying to mom & dad - they just go to the government for money from funds they haven't contributed to.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Lots of room on the ocean for different talents, techniques and imaginative skills. This thread pretty well runs the gamut even if it wanders greatly. If one has the money ,one can buy most any talent etc. If the budget or inclination requires some ingenuity then some imagination in the recycle /reconfigure department can be the ticket.Some of us(me included) take real joy in building our boats and its parts from what some scorn as the local refuse centre. For you completely unskilled and unimaginative' Sailors' who don't know pot metal from bronze or lignum vita from hemlock let me tell you that better stuff was thrown away than you can find at your fancy new stuff store. The skill and imagination to do what Brent and I have done successfully and with considerable satisfaction for 38 years is something that that others may not want to emulate but to not be able to understand, well that's just sad. Just keep your shelf stocking job so you can pay the moorage on your dunky plastic and don't lose the dream of maybe really going sailing one day.
Len, and I hope you don't mind me calling you Len, you completely missed my point. I can McGuyver with the best of them and do so on a regular basis, but I want to hear you guys tell me things I don't know,like how do you deal with heat dissipation from a hot metal deck to the cabin of the same type material, how about vibration dampening from a perkins or yanmar or whatever type diesel you're running on a metal frame boat, how did you formulate the sail area you needed to push a boat that heavy through the water, what about tinsel pull at the deck and mast and things like this. You're right I don't circumnavigate, probably never will, but I'm still curious about things I can't and probably won't do in life and the crazy thing is you have a captured audience waiting for to either dazzle us with brilliance or baffle us with bull crap and you refuse to take the cue. Hell dude I'm an easy sell, I sit through insurance seminars and come out going damn I didn't know that. I wasn't faulting you or Brent for reusing items I just don't need to read about diving in the dumpster behind NAPA and snagging an alternator, tell me about tack welding a hull when it's 42 degrees an what you do to make it all come together, tell me how you determined the girth and height of the mast or the length of the boom, tell me how you designed the steering apparatus, that my friend is what everyone that opened this thread is yearning for.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

A little advise here please. I don't know diddly about steel boats but none the less I am considering a trade for this vessel in KK Malaysia. I know the price is insane but this a trade so it actually may work out. You fellows are much more informed than I so what might you be willing to pay for this boat and what advise could you share with me.

Vessel is listed at sailboat listings dot com listing # . She is a 1999 57' Steel Ketch
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sorry listing #41152
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

1999 New Zealand shipyard KETCH 1770 sailboat for sale in Outside United States

That's a lot of boat.

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1999 New Zealand shipyard KETCH 1770 sailboat for sale in Outside United States

That's a lot of boat.

As in Lots of money, Lots of upkeep or looks like a good trade. Where might I go wrong owning this vessel?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Sailed FRANCIS LEE today for the first time. It is very fast, well mannered and a dream to sail. We were lucky enough to be able to fall in with the Three Tree Point race fleet. We stayed out of people's ways but mixed it up to get a feel from Frankie's abilities. They are profuse. One benefit of a grp boat can be performance measured in boat speed and we have it. The boat points so high it makes you chuckle.

It was an extremely satisfying day with big grins all around. I'll post pics when I get them from our chase boat photographer. The sail was very well documented in pics. I am happy and relaxed tonight.

The boat does attract a crowd at the dock.

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That is a very handsome steel boat. Who is the designer? It looks to be very well done. The price seems reasonable given the overall look of quality in the design and build. This is no home builder monstrosity.

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It was built by a fellow named John Robinson in NZ. I guess you could call it homemade but it seems the guy was on his game.
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Yeah but that is no ordinary home builder design. Somebody knew what they were doing when they drew that boat. This thread is full of the alternatives. They stink. The boat you are looking at might be a Van de Stadt design. If you want steel I'd look very hard at this one.

The listing shows the designer as Bruce Askew. I don;t know that name. Why don't you get in touch with him. Ask about the lifting keel and rudder details. Ask about stability and stiffness. Ask if there are any VPP's available.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Is everyone SURE they want to go offshore? Even in a steel boat?


I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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