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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Whats the price tag on that one? How any decades of cruising freedom does the average wage earner have to give up for that kind of "style over substance"? Will the joys of having that kind of interior, for a short remaining portion of one's life, be more fun than spending the same amount of money playing full time, for decades? Is posting pictures of a new, unlived in interior, as a comparison to one which has been lived in for decades ,an attempt to mislead.
Are would be cruisers who are gullible enough to buy it, likely to spend as much of their lives cruising, as someone with more practical, utilitarian priorities? Will they have more fun than those who took the "low cost, what works" route, instead of the "work most of your lives away, for the priorities of others" route?
I'm beginning to think that you got your 10 layers of slopped on interior epoxy confused with lead based paint. Do you really not get that not everybody in the world wants to live like you? I'm an average wage earner and I'm well aware that a boat such as that will most likely forever be out of my reach, but I still think it is a beautiful boat and hope that whoever has both the means and the desire to own such a gorgeous vessel never looses the love for her. The boat that I buy will most likely be an older, proven vessel. That's not to say that I wont fix her up and show her some love. And no matter what harbor we sail into, I will still love her and be proud of her no matter what anybody, especially a closed minded holier than thou hermit, thinks about it. I agree with Bob. Those Swain boats that look good have the love of their owner/builder to thank, not you nor your self proclaimed design work. I would say that the owner of that Waterline will have as much fun, if not more than the owner of one of your boats. You want to talk about utilitarian? About practical? I have a car that I drive strictly for work because I travel very far to jobsites. It get's me where I need to be, when I need to be there. I don't wash it, the rain does that. I don't care if it gets scratched, it's a work car. It's full of dust and God knows what else from piling my tools in it. Hell, the tools it carries are worth more than the car itself. And then there is my truck. It's my baby! It carries my kayak and camping gear. I keep it clean and neat. I wouldn't sell it for anything. That's the difference between your boats and the Waterline. You just can't seem to get that through your head and apparently your not even capable of respecting the choices or tastes of others. If you want respect, you better be willing to give it. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Yes I was moody and who wouldn't be.
After doing quite bit of work on my first boat I sold it. Bought another one and yes there is lot more of work on "new" boat. It is also far away and to bring it closer to home over those nasty tidal currents one can only wish to have more power and speed.
Yes Mr Perry you are legend and shouldn't be always so jumpy. Admire also your interior designs and wish i got one of your designs. Also like clasical look of those Origami boats, one was for sale out of my range. Ah well in strange way smack was smack on explaing danger of all kind of garbage foating in oceans.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent,

Thread drift aside what on God's earth does Pros and cons of steel sailboats have to do with your radical leftist rants against wealthy folks? And whats with your admiration of lazy people with no jobs or ambition that cruise around in your ugly little boats 12 months per year contributing little or nothing to society. Who exactly funds your cruiser clients? I think we all know. In any case try to stay on point about what the thread is about or maybe it might be better to start a new thread " How to cruise the seven seas in a boat built out of garbage".
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On BD.net, Tad Roberts calculated the AVS on my 36 at 165 degrees, and Jim calculated it at 175 degrees ,posted on the origamiboats site.
Bob claims that 123 degrees is "a fine number",but 165 and 175 degrees is "unstable?"
Ya sure , Bob!
Actually - you have no idea what your own boats' AVS is. You, the "designer" have to rely on others to come up with a number. Then you want to "improve" even that. Remember when you said it was 183 degrees?

When you try to mock Bob in these areas you really confirm the fact that you're a clown, Brent.
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I share the information that one can cruise without needing a lot of money, for which elitists, and those selling overpriced and inferior boats and equipment , are constantly attacking me.

Those who use resourcefulness and innovation instead of money are probably a tiny percentage of the marina queen crowd you meet in marinas, especially in Brazil, but they are over 95% of the people I meet here out cruising full time, who never tie up in marinas , who marina occupants are unlikely to meet all that often ,and who don't believe in giving up the cost of full time cruising for a lifestyle which involves working 11 months a year while their boats lie dormant in a marina. The marina crowd's cruising is made up of getting drunk in a yacht club bar, while spouting cruising advice for those who do what the marina queen crowd keep giving uninformed advice on , to those who are actually doing what the marina crowd keep talking about ,but only do a month or less a year.

My posts are aimed at people who cruise in Canada, where there is a large percentage of people who are neither rich nor poor, unlike some countries where there are only super rich or desperately poor, and the former never meeting the latter , convince themselves that they don't exist..

Lately I have been meeting increasing numbers of people over 70 who are cruising full time, year round, and don't stay in marinas for the winters, if ever.
95% of whom are other bitter, resentful, dumpster-diving hermits, would be my guess...
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Whats the price tag on that one? How any decades of cruising freedom does the average wage earner have to give up for that kind of "style over substance"? Will the joys of having that kind of interior, for a short remaining portion of one's life, be more fun than spending the same amount of money playing full time, for decades? Is posting pictures of a new, unlived in interior, as a comparison to one which has been lived in for decades ,an attempt to mislead.
Are would be cruisers who are gullible enough to buy it, likely to spend as much of their lives cruising, as someone with more practical, utilitarian priorities? Will they have more fun than those who took the "low cost, what works" route, instead of the "work most of your lives away, for the priorities of others" route?
Brent - that interior is 19 years old and the boat has been cruised extensively. Some people like nice things and tend to keep them that way. There are more pics on the owner's site of the interior when they were in Alaska recently. But no, it is not a boat for a Welfare type who just got out of the dumpster with his latest find. The boat is listed for $350,000

Boats like this do get cruised extensively. There is an older couple in Victoria who spent the winter in front of the Empress in their Waterline 45 - a comparable boat in a similar condition. About this time last year they were in London England. They sailed through the Northwest Passage to Victoria. When talking to the owner I suggested it was a lot more interesting than the Panama Canal alternative. He said they wouldn't have gone through the Canal but around the Horn AGAIN as they love it down there. They are typical of Waterline customers - they use their boats.

There are other people that buy nice boats and cruise extensively in them as well - Deerfoot and Sundeer for example. 32 boats with an average of over 55,000 miles per boat, one with 3 circumnavigations, several with 2, many with 1. Their interiors look good as well. You're not likely to meet them at the dumpster though.

Not everybody is or wants to be a bottom feeder, scraping along on the dole. Many work hard and well and want to enjoy what they can easily afford.

I'm not in that category but I can certainly appreciate those who are.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Most do. Sea Scene posted pictures of his boat on this discussion ,every bit as good looking as a Waterline to anyone with the experience to know what to look for.
One doesn't need any sort of experience to recognize what looks good.

Experience teaches one to recognize quality workmanship, practical construction details and that sort of thing but beauty can be seen at a glance by anyone with eyes.

Don't forget - beauty may be only skin deep but ugly goes to the bone.
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Most do. Sea Scene posted pictures of his boat on this discussion ,every bit as good looking as a Waterline to anyone with the experience to know what to look for.
Many of my clients have raised families and wouldn't trade their full time cruising lives for anything. Most have experienced the cookie cutter consumer lifestyle you advocate, and gave it up, with great relief. All could have stayed there. Enabling them to find and live the alternative, is one of my greatest accomplishments. I wouldn't trade that for any o f the squanderism "Accomplishments" of anyone.
But you, apparently, do not.
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"squanderism"?

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I think you misjudged my attempt at humor. Sorry for that. I was referring to the old rock group, the MOODY BLUES. Not you.
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