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This boat looks like it might actually fulfill Brent's claims for someone. Appears it could be bought for under $20K.

Looks like a workmanlike build and it doesn't get much cheaper for an equipped, utilitarian offshore boat. As he pointed out in an earlier post, just the steel work would cost as much to build new.

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Less than $20K for a steel boat? If it's anywhere near sound, that's a great deal.



But that's my point - why on earth would you actually build one of these things??? You'd lose tens of thousands of dollars AND years of your life. Totally not worth it.

If you HAVE to have a steel boat - buy this thing for $10K (far less than the cost of the raw materials) and go cruising. Let the sucker who built it take the bath. But make sure to have a thorough inspection first. It could be a nightmare.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Here's one that seems to have served her owners very well.....

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Dale was the only other guy who had wire lifelines for several years, until he went cruising on another boat I had put solid life lines on, in Mexico last winter. . He came home and immediately put solid lifelines on the green one in Olympia.Until you have sailed with solid lifelines, its hard to appreciate the peace of mind it gives. Once you have you will never go back to trip wires.
Well, solid rails make a for convenience in the placement and adjusting of fenders for a transit of the Erie Canal, I'll give them that...





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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think solid rails can look fine done in s.s.. The painted steel rails on the BS boats look heavy and crude. I certainly understand the application and benefits.

That blue BS boat looks OK except for the butt ugly dodger.

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I think solid rails can look fine done in s.s.. The painted steel rails on the BS boats look heavy and crude. I certainly understand the application and benefits.

That blue BS boat looks OK except for the butt ugly dodger.
It does kinda look like a dirty toenail doesn't it.


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I was thinking more along the lines of a wart on the end of a nose.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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But that's my point - why on earth would you actually build one of these things??? You'd lose tens of thousands of dollars AND years of your life. Totally not worth it.

If you HAVE to have a steel boat - buy this thing for $10K (far less than the cost of the raw materials) and go cruising. Let the sucker who built it take the bath. But make sure to have a thorough inspection first. It could be a nightmare.[/QUOTE]


Really? Why whould someone buld one?
well, i csn tell you that i am very happy to be building my steel boat with my own two hands.
There is no commercially available sailboat out there that would suit my needs at all. Believe me, ive tried. For the most part they just arent bult well enough to handle the type of abuse i put them through.
Looking pretty at the dock just isnt gonna cut it. Nor is sailing performance the only consideration.
For me the boat has to thrive being in remote anchorages, with little resources. For that reason im building one of brent swains designs to suit my needs. Im quite confident that its the only boat that would put up with my lifdstyle.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Good on ya. Sounds like you know exactly what you are doing. No point in making resale value the goal of a custom, owner built boat.

Not sure what "commercially available boats" or what your idea of "abuse" is but I don't think it makes any sense to paint all "commercially available boats" with one brush. That just tells me you haven't really looked hard. There are some very tough production boats out there and a lot of flimsy ones too. But if you are a reef banger or rock basher I think you are correct, steel is the material for you. Best of luck with your build. How about posting some pics for us?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Abuse, In my mind is just working. the same way tugs, and fish boats do...
pulling logs of a beach for salvage. Dropping moorings for friends, delivering well pipe to remote islands, doing the dead battery run for people who live off grid, my cockpit is my welding shop/ mechanic shop/ labratory, etc...

Same reason i dont like cars. they cant do any work, so Ill take a pickup truck.

What type of production sailboat would suit me?
where do you mount the vice on these things?!
Where on deck to i chop my firewood?
There are plenty of tugs/work boats that would, but they wont sail!
I will post pictures when I figure out how!
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