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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"Where on deck to i chop my firewood?"

Now, that there is a very good question. One I have often asked myself.

Come to think of it Dirt. You will have the perfect boat for your intended use. Those dents in the deck will have zero effect on the overall look of the boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Half inch stainless plate welded to the back section of cockpit seats.
Gotta be able to hammer somwhere...
Certainly wont dent that....
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Can't imagine you could.

It's common for me to design in vice mounts on my custom designs. Not places to chop wood though.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Ahhhh......so that is what the fire axe is for......
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Can't imagine you could.

It's common for me to design in vice mounts on my custom designs. Not places to chop wood though.
I have a vice mounted in my saloon. But it's mostly for tying flies.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Cinderella and her sisters had different realities too. Building your own vessel and heating it with wood on the coast is so far from others realities the twain shall never meet . And just as well too. Else we wouldn't have this inane entertainment on the SN.
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Maybe, just maybe, people are underestimating Brent Swain. He probably truly believes most of what he says, even when it flies in the face of more knowledgeable people. But why would he come back again and again to get beat up and put down by lots of people here? Brent, no doubt, has a following of people who buy into his ideas and designs. The Origami method is kind of neat, but the end result is not what most of us want in a boat, never mind that they are super strong. And it almost looks to me, that he sometimes goes out of his way to make the boats unattractive. The oversized, painted handrails and those odd cabin tops are examples. And if getting beat up for his ideas isn't enough, he frequently insults some of the more knowledgeable people who publish here. So why does he do it? Look to Hollywood. If you are an actor, you need publicity and name recognition. Best if you get it for your work, but if not from there, any other source will do, good or bad. So lots of those people seem to go out of their way for press, bad press or any kind of press at all. Now, most people reading this forum list tend to side with boats like Bob Perry designs, and few really have the time or inclination to build their own boat, and most kind of like their lifestyle, even with work and mortgages, much better than they like Brent's lifestyle (otherwise, they would be anchored out somewhere on a Brent boat). In any dialogue like this thread, there will always be some who go opposite from most others, and opposite to reason, as it appears to most of us. And these people are Brent's potential clients, and threads like these, with all the arguments, is how he can come into contact with these people. So, maybe, it's all about getting publicity, good or bad. It's business, you know. Do what you have to do to make the sale.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Maybe, just maybe, people are underestimating Brent Swain. He probably truly believes most of what he says, even when it flies in the face of more knowledgeable people. But why would he come back again and again to get beat up and put down by lots of people here? Brent, no doubt, has a following of people who buy into his ideas and designs. The Origami method is kind of neat, but the end result is not what most of us want in a boat, never mind that they are super strong. And it almost looks to me, that he sometimes goes out of his way to make the boats unattractive. The oversized, painted handrails and those odd cabin tops are examples. And if getting beat up for his ideas isn't enough, he frequently insults some of the more knowledgeable people who publish here. So why does he do it? Look to Hollywood. If you are an actor, you need publicity and name recognition. Best if you get it for your work, but if not from there, any other source will do, good or bad. So lots of those people seem to go out of their way for press, bad press or any kind of press at all. Now, most people reading this forum list tend to side with boats like Bob Perry designs, and few really have the time or inclination to build their own boat, and most kind of like their lifestyle, even with work and mortgages, much better than they like Brent's lifestyle (otherwise, they would be anchored out somewhere on a Brent boat). In any dialogue like this thread, there will always be some who go opposite from most others, and opposite to reason, as it appears to most of us. And these people are Brent's potential clients, and threads like these, with all the arguments, is how he can come into contact with these people. So, maybe, it's all about getting publicity, good or bad. It's business, you know. Do what you have to do to make the sale.
People in hollywood are also, often, just plane crazy.


I don't doubt that his designs fit some people well, and frankly I think the world needs more iconoclasts and eccentrics. My first boat was one that only a mother (and the salty traditionalist types) could love and it even had a wood stove, so I can relate to much of what he says.

My first boat also had a design flaw (stan huntingford design one-off build) that led to me cracking an 8ft long crack in the hull during a storm. The boat almost sank. So, while I can relate, I also know from experience that yacht design is serious business. Life and death stuff.

Mr. Swain is not well received on the yacht design forums either, where many designers have issues with stability and capsize potential of some of his boats. As with Bob here, he doesn't seem able or willing to prove that he knows what he's doing from a theoretical standpoint, and for me, that's enough to walk.

Some jobs and professions you can learn by experience and trial and error. Yacht design, medicine, rocket science, etc are not some of them. I'd be worrying that I would be the one doing the trial and error.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Life without a woodstove where I live would be unfathomably horrible.
Wether on land, or in a boat, The damp will get you up here without one.
Theres nothing more peacful to me than rowing ashore in a secluded anchorage, with a powersaw and an axe amd filling the dinghy with beautiful smelling cedar.
Certainly more satisfying than going to a fuel dock!
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