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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent has had plenty of time to post photos of his own boat but still nothing. I think he is a bit ashamed and doesn't want to show us. Don;t know how else to read his reluctance. He has time to talk ad nauseum but he can't push some buttons to post a pic?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Wanting fragile, decorative trip wires for lifelines ,is certainly not full time cruising knowledge. It is more "decorative" knowledge ( which can get you killed.) People with real long term cruising knowledge, would appreciate real lifelines, etc.
Damn, people like Evans Starzinger on HAWK, and John Neal on MAHINA TIARE, must be painfully slow learners, then... Roughly half a million offshore miles between them, and they STILL haven't gleaned one of the fundamentals of "real long term cruising knowledge"...

Fortunately for them, they must possess considerably more situational awareness, and be less klutzy moving about their decks, than Brent's 4 friends "lost due to inadequate lifelines"...






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Damn, people like Evans Starzinger on HAWK, and John Neal on MAHINA TIARE, must be painfully slow learners, then... Roughly half a million offshore miles between them, and they STILL haven't gleaned one of the fundamentals of "real long term cruising knowledge"...
You forgot Morgan's Cloud. Also wire lifelines.


Now, while it's fun to pile on here with everybody else for a laugh, I can't actually get behind the argument that solid rails are bad. Sure they can be aesthetically displeasing if done poorly, but so can lifelines. Netting and zip ties anyone? Staying aboard is critical. Fall overboard and die. Sure, whatever is at the edge of the boat is only there as a last resort, but for this type of last resort insurance, rails seem superior to lifelines in every way to me.

Nauticats have them and they look quite nice I think.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I too see the benefits of solid life lines. I like the way they are done on the Nauticat. But done in steel and painted like you see on BS boats is not an attractive look. Done is s.s. they can look quite nice on boat over 45'. On many of my custom design I extend the stern pulpit forward to about where you would climb out of the cockpit.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

aaaah threads are fun...now its about lifelines...I remember posting that some boats dont even come with them and did fine for cruising(with appropriate jacklines, harnesses etc...) and got thrown to the wolves for that comment

now its about having grab rails chest height up on each side of the boat in stainless or nothing else!

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

For me, I wouldn't want anything BUT solid lifelines.
No reason in the world that I can see to not be as safe as possible.
They also make getting in and out of a dinghy tremendously easy.
And yes, I built mine out of stainless steel pipe.

Maybe for experienced sailors trip lines are adequate, or maybe they are comfortable enough on a boat that they need nothing at all.
That being said, I still like the idea of taking my aging mother out for sails, and wouldnt want to do it on anything without the security of solid handrails.

P.S. As far as posting pictures goes, Do they have to be hosted elsewhere on the internet? I cant seem to upload them from my computer to a post?
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I use "photobucket.com". It's very easy. If I can do it anyone can. You go to photobucket and upload your photo into their program. Then you just click and paste on your text here where you want the photo. There is really nothing to it. It gives you nice big photos.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Life rails, especially when capped with varnished "dead vegitation" look very well on motor yachts and motorsailers - better in many cases than lifelines.

IMO they NEVER look well on pure sailboats although big stern pulpits going well forward look well on "poop deck" type sterns.
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P.S. As far as posting pictures goes, Do they have to be hosted elsewhere on the internet? I cant seem to upload them from my computer to a post?
I use Google Image Search. Basically, you enter your search term like "Morgan's cloud" and when google gives you a list of results, you'll see a horizontal bar across the top. Web [results] will be what is selected. You can click on images and it'll give you a few hundred pictures that it thinks match your search term.

It can be a great way to search the web as well. For example if you see a friend wearing a unique new sailing harness but don't know what it's called, you can do a google image search for "sailing harness" and when you see the funky looking picture of the Spinlock you can click on it to find out it's name and find out more.

For adding pictures to web posts, do your image search, and once you get to the website that has the picture, right click on it and select "copy image URL." Then when constructing your post, click the yellow square picture icon above the text window where you're typing your reply and paste in the copied URL. Voila! you'll have pictures in your post!

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I don't think I would "enjoy" spending a million dollars on a yacht, while children were starving around me. To "enjoy"that would take a life form considerably below that of a cockroach.
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