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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent LPS is not determined by beam alone.A narrow boat with inadequate RM will be initially tender but also prone to capsize. In fact more so than a beamy boat as it would lack form stability. Your boats with their massive weight above the waterline will require massive amounts of ballast to have an acceptable GZ curve. I'm not a N.A. but these simple formulas and the physics behind them are known to any reasonably knowledgeable sailor. Please post a GZ curve or LPS generated by a knowledgable believable source. Looking at the hulls unless you are putting depleted uranium in your keels and around40- 50% of displacement as ballast your stability statements seem to be more bogus nonsense.
Look at Frankie. Yes she is narrow but she also has a deep fin with a bulb at the end. Your boats have low chord keels with the ballast not localized to the extreme bottom in a bulb. Therefore much less RM. Heavy and therefore slow. Tender so always living on a slant. Unknown LPS empty or at 1/2load or fully found for cruising.
Steel remains an excellent material for cruising boats it's unfortunate you have been the only builder engaged in this thread given the multiple deficiencies of your boats as outlined in prior posts.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Cant Help but be curious.

Does anyone else here Have a steel boat?
Is anyone else here activley engaged in maintaing/sailing/building a steel boat?

OR is that part of the thread irrelevant?

For me, there is no other option for material.
For one I like working with steel.
secondly, I would (and have) destroy a plastic boat amazingly fast.

The past few days I have spent Welding on the outside of my Stainless steel bulwark cap. Gonna spend today grinding it, cleaning in up and putting on the zinc primer.
I also decided that i Wanted better ventilation for welding inside the hull, So I cut the forehatch out of the boat in about 40 seconds of work. Voila! Man i love my plasma cutter. Oh yeah, and its been raining. Not much, but enough that i wouldnt be able to work on my boat if it were made of glass. Thats another thing that appeals to me.

And yes, I could probably have bought a used boat for "cheaper" But it only would have been cheaper for a few years, before it started eating more money.
Steel cost me about 9500. delivered to my house on a small island. wheeled and primed. Scrap stainless has cost me another few thousand i would guess.
the rest is time, and I have lots of that, and find great satisfaction in building my boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Dirty- bless you for posting. I'm curious. What designs did you research before picking your boat? Do you have the basic statistics for your boat? Have you gotten insurance for your boat? Was there any difficulties? How many hours do you think it will take to completion? What's your day job? I did schooling at the local trade high school and was amazed how easy the plasma cutter cut even 1/4" plate. Have fun.
Btw glass done right is tougher than many think. Locally a Cherubini went into the shore which was covered by huge granite blocks during Sandy. She pounded for the whole storm and was taken off days later. Went down to Delran N.J. And now good as new.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

good pícs!

someday Ill build mine! jajaja
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Dirty - thank you very much for posting pics and explanations of what you're doing and going through (costs, tools, etc.). This is what most of us have been hoping for. A real, current, first-hand account.

The biggest questions I have pertaining to this thread are these:

1. If you didn't have the steel-working experience and background you have, would building a steel boat still be feasible for you? In other words, could anyone do it?

2. If a person were starting from scratch (just buying the plans and going for it), how much do you think they would have to invest in tools and equipment to do this right? For example, how much is a plasma cutter, a welder, and any other tools that are critical to doing this right?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Getting solar panels on the roof of my shack today. Lots of them. I'll be sending watts back to the PUD in no time and getting paid for them.

Trip to San Francisco was a huge success yesterday. Saw lots of good old friends. Got invited the the Tinsley Island Stag Cruise this summer. Whooppee, that's an even you don't want to miss.

I'd love to post three funky looking boats sitting in the mud but this fleet of CT65's racing is the best I can do for now.
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This will make you laugh. The calendar say 1977. The hair says 1977. I have tons of old photos that I am going to start scanning. I have so many boat photos that need to be saved on the computer so I can show them off.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quite conservative actually. I had blonde hair down to my ass in '77 attending UCSB coming to the conclusion that college was for people that don't surf. Good thing because it turned out I was a terrible student, a good surfer and a really good salesman. Funny, I got busted for underage drinking in Santa Barbara around that time and the judge threw the book at me. Sentenced me to no surfing for a month. How cruel and unusual is that. I would argue that we grew up in the best of times. What do think?
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