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But back to the cons of steel boats:
Here is something you cannot do in steel.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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When I was in college there was no AIDS. I am thankful for that. I would not like to have mixed my college years with the threat of AIDS. I think it was a damn good time. The music was a wee bit wonky with the whole disco thing but hell, I'm a Bee Gee's fan still.

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Quite conservative actually. I had blonde hair down to my ass in '77 attending UCSB coming to the conclusion that college was for people that don't surf. Good thing because it turned out I was a terrible student, a good surfer and a really good salesman. Funny, I got busted for underage drinking in Santa Barbara around that time and the judge threw the book at me. Sentenced me to no surfing for a month. How cruel and unusual is that. I would argue that we grew up in the best of times. What do think?
If you mean the 70's, I couldn't disagree more. Except for being a golden age of sailboats that was a real "lost decade".

Think about it - Viet Nam, Nixon, Watergate, Disco, Iran & the Ayatollah, oil embargoes, leisure suits and the cars! the cars! 150 H.P. Corvettes

It was a horrible time.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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But back to the cons of steel boats:
Here is something you cannot do in steel.
Why can't you sail a steeler in a jacket & tie?



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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Not sure you can build an 8' steeler that sails like that. I was dressed for work. I drove down to the lake and I was so excited I didn't change my clothes I just hopped in the Pwinkle and went sailing.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I hear you. I was so absorbed in my work that most of the 70's just passed me by. Maybe I was lucky. We designed a lot of boats in those days and they built a lot of boats in those days. I sailed all the time and that was my world. I do remember being in Boston during the gas shortage. I remember gas going to $1 a gallon in 1979 and buying my Mercedes 5 cyl diesel for $29,500 which at the time I thought was an insane price.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

My friend Steve inherited this aluminum boat and has been doing a major rebuild on it for a couple of years. He is an amazing welder and he has a fabulous eye for detail. My only contribution to his project was a dining table design and Steve modified that. Metal, hard chine boats do not have to be ugly as this little motor sailer shows.

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Here is another shot showing some of the details. Steve is the type who builds almost everything himself and his work is amazing. I really envy his build and design skills.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I will try to awnser all the questions...

Firstly, yes i did all kinds of research before deciding to build my boat.
Acctually i spent a few years looking at any steel boat I could, and reading all the relevant books out there. ( nigel warren, ian nicholson, giblert klingel, thomas colvin, blah, blah, blah) I have seen some great steel boats, and some aweful ones.

My last boat was a roberts offshore 38. While at first I liked it, I quickly learned to hate that boat. So much framing. 1/8th inch hull plate. centre cockpit. no space on deck, no space below ( stupid aft cabin crawlways) as brent said, a series of closets.
there were all kinds of things that I percieved as MAJOR design flaws in that boat.
For example, an anchor locker that was foamed and doesnt drain!
deck hardware bolted to an other wise water tight deck!
rediculous fin keel and unprotected rudder.
I could go on, but it doesnt matter. At a certain point i realized that I needed to build a boat from scratch in order to get what I wanted. I then began to write down for myself what I wanted...
Basically, thicker hull plate, bilge keels, stainless trim everywhere, aft cockpit, good sized wheelhouse, tiller steering, outboard rudder, etc...
Basically it came down to a "brent Boat"
I had met brent a few years earlier when cruising around vancouver island for a summer, and had kept in touch with him.
So, I saved my pennies, found a place to build, moved in, ordered steel and started.
Brent was/is incredibly helpful putting the hull together. He sailed up, and came by all the time to awnser questions, provide ideas, and help with drawing things out. Plus he is a great guy to work around because he is always having a laugh!

As far as how many hours it will take me? I have no idea beacuse I am not done yet!
I can tell you that, I started at the end of november last year, put the hull together in about weeks work. Working with the shortest days of the year, and having lots of delays because of snow, rain, having to go to town, etc.
I can tell you, however, that my "plan" is to launch the boat by september of this year.
and spend the next few months building an interior, and finishing things out getting ready for the next summer of sailing.

Do I have insurance? No. I am my own insurance policy and firmly believe that people would be much more resposible if they lived without it alltogether.

Do I believe that Anyone could build a steel boat like this?
There is no short awsner....
So, If we lay aside all the obvious crap, I.E. you are not a total moron. ( there are alot of those lurking around, especially in bigger cities)
Than yes, I believe that anyone with the determination, and a basic set of skills could do this. lots of people have. Its all about knowing what you want, and knowing what you can do. of course it is intimidating at times, but what isnt?

As far as Tools go, You dont need much.

I bought my plasma cutter for 600CD before i started this project cause it was a good deal, and I love the thing. it'll cut half inch plate without any struggle. I also have a set of torches that I got off a farmer for free. I use them rarely.
I bought my welder a while back for just under 2000CD. But the 150 dollar buzz box that I have will do just as nice a job putting the boat together. I just bought the welder because I wanted a very versitile machine (mig,Tig, stick)
I bought 2 ton comealongs on sale at princess auto. 100 bucks each. Best investment ever, i use em for everything. not just the boat.
Thats about it for special tools. The rest is pretty much a sledge, lots of clamps, Vice grips, Like ten measuring tapes cause I break one every four days...
But then If you dont already own a set of tools, Then maybe your not the type of person that wants to build/fix/break things.

I cant remember if thats all the questions or not....

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But back to the cons of steel boats:
Here is something you cannot do in steel.
But you COULD build it out of aluminum, and it would be better...
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