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I'm grumpy too. We tried hailing Francis Lee last night from our Bystedt 30 when we saw her, heading west, south of the EBM jetty. We got no family recognition.
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Good morning Bob, Smack, JonB and all. Oh and even BS, wherever he might be in his impenetrable Sherman tank with sails, bumping and grinding away at the reefs of the world.

I am down in sunny Florida today, hot, sticky, humid and sunny LOL. I much preferred being up in Port Angeles a few weeks ago, far better weather. I am not on my laptop right now, when I get a chance I will throw a few photos up.

I have been looking at a few boats, I figure I will find one that likes me ( I pretty much like them all, so better the boat chooses me by being the right boat at the right price), some time later this year. My budget keeps fluctuating so much here lately that making a good choice is hard sometimes haha.

Bob, glad to hear you are enjoying racing, I need to get up that way and watch you guys race. I have some friends up in Gig Harbour, and that area, maybe when I get up there we can watch some races from the comfort and convenience of one of their boats. I don't race, all that looks a lot lioe work. Where are you racing? If anyone wants to message me when I am not on here just email me at mark2gmtrans@gmail.com

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Pratt:
I don't think anyone on board would know that the Bystedt was my design. If I see you out there I'll be sure to give you a wave.

Mark:
Come on up for a visity. Spend a night at the shack.
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I'm grumpy too. We tried hailing Francis Lee last night from our Bystedt 30 when we saw her, heading west, south of the EBM jetty. We got no family recognition.
We generally answer every hail, so we must have not heard you. Try again next time you see us.

(We also respond to non Perry designed vessels that hail.)
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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On BD.net, Tad Roberts calculated the AVS on my 36 at 165 degrees, and Jim calculated it at 175 degrees ,posted on the origamiboats site.
Bob claims that 123 degrees is "a fine number",but 165 and 175 degrees is "unstable?"
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

BS:
You are a liar and a phony snake oil salesman. You ARE BS.

You will have to show me the exact quote where I say "165 and 175 degrees is "unstable?" but you can't because you are making things up again .

Show me the quote or shut up. Show me the quote.

I know you are a bit slow so let me say it again:
Show me the exact quote or shut up.
I don't think you have any credibility left here. But,,,,you are slow.
Here is some reality for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDPI_j_3Jqo

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Maybe I'm a little slow. I can't understand how a boat with the weight of a steel deck and house and with relatively short keel(s) can generate the numbers he quotes. I'm not a N.A. Are the numbers BS quotes in the realm of reality unless he is entirely filling the keel(s) with spent uranium or just more BS? From my limited understanding enough weight to generate the obligate RM would raise the waterline resulting in no freeboard. ?Am I missing something? Is he saying a boat just about upside down at 175 degrees is still stable?

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It's a mystery to me.
Imagine being at 174 degrees and telling your wife, "Don't worry dear we have one degree of positive stability left".

The fact is that BS has no knowledge at all of the reality of stability. He relies on others to come up with silly numbers. I know Tad and I really doubt Tad did a weight study on a BS boat. Without a weight study you CANNOT HAVE a VCG. Without an accurate VCG your stability calcs are useless. It all starts with a VCG. This is just basic naval architecture 101. I was struggling with this when I was 16 years old. It was not easy. But I stuck with it and today I am very comfortable with the math.

All an intelligent person has to do is to look at the published stability numbers for any number of boats featured in today's rags. Stability is no longer a guess. BS numbers are off the chart. He would be laughed out of any gathering of bonafide yacht designers.

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