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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Gentlemen, I propose a change to the current rules of the duel.



Bob, you've been pro fiberglass and anti-steel. Brent, you've been pro-steel and anti-fiberglass.

Care to switch sides for a couple posts??

We all know there is no perfect boat, and boats are a series of compromises. Designers should know this better than the rest of us, so Brent should be familiar with the negatives of his boats and his building medium and so should Bob.

Brent, what are the CONS of steel boats, and Brentboats in particular.
Bob, what are the CONS of fiberglass, and some particular cons for your heavier cruising boats?

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The Maestro has never been "anti-steel", he has designed some steel boats.

He is anti "cheap, ugly" boats and pro "beautiful" boats.

It costs no more to build a beautiful boat than an ugly one, it just takes some taste & style. There are plenty of very good looking, inexpensive boats out there, especially working boats. This has been pointed out numerous times.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

JonB said it quite well.
I will say it again: I have nothing in common with BS, either personally or professionally.
Zero, Zich, Nada, Mayola.

All he has left is personal attacks so I'll let him have at it. My response will simply be to post examples of my work that show my skill. This is something that BS can never match and words won't change.
He has words and that's it.

Four of his boats in the harbor. Well, we know he's a liar. Next month I'll have around fifty of my designs in Port Ludlow for the Perry Rendezvous and I'll have lots of photos to prove it. Now that is something I think is worth noting. Four Not so much.

No matter how much lipstick you smear on it, BS is always BS.

Now for some lovely, fast and effective eye candy.



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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I get satisfaction seeing my boats do what they were designed to do, doing it very well and doing it with style and grace. I can credit 95% of all my deck design skills to C&C. Initially I learned deck design mostly through my own mistakes but then I sat down one day and studied the design of the old C&C 39 deck. All I needed to know was right there.

Here's my steel 51'er DIVA. It cruised the Pacific for two years with a family crew and is a marvelous boat.

Here is the great AIRLOOm with a stern festooned by duck decals earned by winning the Duck Dodge. Who says double enders can,t be fast.

Of course I can't forget FRANCIS. Kim might have something to say about the value of my design work at whatever rate I choose to charge. He hasn't complained. On the contrary. In fact Kim is so happy with his race results that we are in the planning stage of adding two more sheet winches in the cockpit to make the boat work better when fully crewed. As design it was laid out for single handing. But we race with a crew of five or six and some separation between winches would be effective.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

There are 4 of my boats designs in the salish sea. Not sure why at the moment, but 3 are for sale......two have owned there boats longer than I have, ie close to 20+ yrs. I'm at 8, the other is around 8 yrs also.

I'll take pretty over fugly anyday of the week....

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Having engaged Mr. Perry professionally over the last four years for the Francis Lee project (formerly known as the Sliver project) I can testify that Mr. Perry is worth far more than the very reasonable rate he charges for his services.

I investigated many options before I spent my design money on the Francis Lee project, I hired Mr. Perry based on his track record for designing some of the best cruising vessels in the world and for his record of designing successful racing vessels. Mr. Perry is regarded by most knowledgeable sailors as one of the premier sailboat designers of all time.

Having spent a year working closely with him on the design phase of my project it is very apparent to me that he is extremely well versed in all aspects of sailboat design. To suggest that he is lacking in his ability to design a beautiful wholesome seaworthy fast vessel is just laughable.

Facts and reality speak much more loudly than mere words. I have experienced the facts of Mr. Perry's design skills first hand, and for the record I have raced and cruised inshore and offshore for 50+ years in all kinds of weather on all kinds of vessels made of every kind of boat building material.

But don't just believe me, go investigate the facts and reality for yourself. You won't find them on an Internet forum, they are out there in real life.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

EXACTLY!

so lets stop the back and forth...unless you are just doing it for fun...

people are different have likes and dislikes...what may seem ugly to some is practical and utilitarian to someone else...
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

There is nothing bad about Brent's boats for the small number that like them. It is Brent and his attitude that is the issue.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

^^^Bingo.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

im not trying to be the devils advocate here but there is PLENTY of undue and unnecessary comments to and about brent as well...

I mean how many times can you bash a boat and its designer for not posting specs?

attitude is a huge deal breaker but I think we need to be objective here and stop the whole its only one sides fault.

I get it, but lets be more sensible.

thats all

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Chicken and egg. Believe it or not, I used to be a pretty strong supporter of Brent on another site. I'm not anymore.
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