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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

back to steel

anybody have experience with steel kits?

buy the plans, buy $10k steel, get boat done in 2-3 years and sail off into the sunset? jajajaja

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That beauty is alu and belongs to a friend of Kim and me. He is a master at welding and shaping metal and has a very good eye for design. He builds airplanes too. He is an impressive craftsman. I posted a series of shots on this boat earlier in this thread.
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Chicken and egg. Believe it or not, I used to be a pretty strong supporter of Brent on another site. I'm not anymore.
I find the origami process very intriguing and I can't argue with steel for it's strength & watertightness for long term cruising.

BUT....

Brent is just too fanatical and one tracked for me - regarding Francis Lee as somehow inferior to one of his boats because it isn't a trans-oceanic cruiser

AND....

As has been pointed out numerous times, there is no reason for a tough & economical boat to look bad or cheap - that is simply a lack of design esthetic, unrelated to the material or money spent. Simply put, there is no excuse for it.
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If you don't think that FRANCIS could be a "trans-oceanic Cruiser" I would really like to know exactly, in detail, why you think that. Be very specific. I'll wait.

And while I am waiting I will read again about the myriad of boat types that have circumnavigated successfully.

Sometimes I wonder if we have not been brain washed into thinking only one type works for offshore cruising. Each type has it's limitations and advantages. But does that totally eliminate one type? I'm asking. I don't have the answer although I'm inclined to think that you can cruise offshore in just about any sound boat if you are a good sailor. Some very odd boats have made some successful circumnavigations, including the Baba 30.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Maybe it could, but that's not the point - it was designed (so I understand) primarily to be a singlehanded daysailer, not a long term cruiser.

People have sailed all sorts of unlikely things across oceans, that's not to say that was their original design intent or that they are particularly appropriate for it.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob, what traits does FL have that would make her a good trans oceanic cruiser?

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Bob, what traits does FL have that would make her a good trans oceanic cruiser?
Let me guess: Speed.. and speed.. wait a sec, I said that already!

At some point in history there was a submarine named FRANCIS LEE, wasn't there?!?

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Bob, what traits does FL have that would make her a good trans oceanic cruiser?
Other than a lack of lifelines what is against Francis Lee as a trans oceanic cruiser?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

The Francis Lee could easily cross oceans, she is engineered to be very strong and stiff. You might want to wear a harness while on deck, otherwise there is no reason she can't cross any ocean.

But she was not intended for anything other than daysailing and Salish Sea cruising. (However she does seem to do quite well while racing.)
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