Pros and cons of steel sailboats - Page 499 - SailNet Community
 1723Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #4981 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,248
Thanks: 1
Thanked 101 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think Miti has it. Lifelines and pulpits would be nice but not required. Did SPRAY have lifelines? I sure as hell would want them myself. I think the biggest negative to FRANCIS being a good long range cruising boat is the 10' draft. But I could reduce this easily to 8' without giving up too much performance. I know 8' works because ICON cruise the South Pacific very nicely drawing 8.3' with the keel retracted and 13.8' with the keel down.

It's a good conversation and fun to consider. I don't have any hard answers.
The Victoria BC TILLICUM is probably the closest "offshore cruising boat" I can think of to the general proportions of FRANCIS. That worked.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of FRANCIS the offshore cruising boat. Why not?

Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bobperry is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4982 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: PNW
Posts: 62
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Fast, weatherly, easy to sail, nice motion, well mannered, strongly built, tons of stability, what's not to like?

(OK, the draft would restrict you from some anchorages.)
kimbottles is offline  
post #4983 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 512
Thanks: 16
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Storage, tankage, and the ability to crush rocks and punch holes in shipping containers, trawlers, etc. Additionally you can't easily set up a forge on the deck or weld a vice to it.
SloopJonB likes this.
Hudsonian is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Hudsonian For This Useful Post:
MedSailor (07-10-2014)
post #4984 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Closet Powerboater
 
MedSailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Anacortes PNW
Posts: 3,556
Thanks: 256
Thanked 111 Times in 100 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Spray didn't have lifelines but you choose an interesting example Bob since captain Slocum was lost at sea as was the Spray. :-)

I have a sauna on my boat, therefore I win.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MedSailor is offline  
post #4985 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
grumpy old man
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,248
Thanks: 1
Thanked 101 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

We could easily double the tankage on FRANCIS. There is lots of vacant volume in the boat. We don't need to weld a vice to the deck. There is not much need for welding on Frankie.

I chose SPRAY because when I consider what Slocum did and the I look at the boat I marvel that he made it that long.

My intent was never to propose FRANCIS as an offshore cruising boat I just didn't like seeing it having limitations imposed so cavalierly. In the right hands and with some minor mods I think FRANCIS could do just about anything on the water. But I'm dreaming again. For now we will enjoy the boat as it was intended to be used from the start. The boat is a lot of fun to sail.

Please visit my blog. It's fun to read.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Bob's Blog ....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Please also visit my new web site
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bobperry is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to bobperry For This Useful Post:
MedSailor (07-10-2014)
post #4986 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: PNW
Posts: 62
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by MedSailor View Post
Spray didn't have lifelines but you choose an interesting example Bob since captain Slocum was lost at sea as was the Spray. :-)
At the time it was speculated that he was likely run down by a steamer while asleep. Lack of lifelines likely had nothing to do with his demise.

Also he was along in age when it happened so he might have just died of old age in his sleep and the Spray simply sailed on until she was swamped or rotted away.
kimbottles is offline  
post #4987 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Once known as Hartley18
 
Classic30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,798
Thanks: 45
Thanked 65 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 9
   
Dock
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
We could easily double the tankage on FRANCIS. There is lots of vacant volume in the boat. We don't need to weld a vice to the deck. There is not much need for welding on Frankie.

I chose SPRAY because when I consider what Slocum did and the I look at the boat I marvel that he made it that long.

My intent was never to propose FRANCIS as an offshore cruising boat I just didn't like seeing it having limitations imposed so cavalierly. In the right hands and with some minor mods I think FRANCIS could do just about anything on the water. But I'm dreaming again. For now we will enjoy the boat as it was intended to be used from the start. The boat is a lot of fun to sail.
Bob/Kim, with not a great deal of freeboard and a long slim profile, I'm guessing FL slices through waves rather than bouncing over them.. Wouldn't she ship a lot of water over the deck out there in the Pacific??

(Hence my allusion to a submarine a few posts back... )

-
"Honestly, I don't know why seamen persist in getting wrecked in some of the outlandish places they do, when they can do it in a nice place like Fiji." -- John Caldwell, "Desperate Voyage"
Classic30 is offline  
post #4988 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: PNW
Posts: 62
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Francis Lee is about the same beam and 10' LOA and 15' LWL longer than my Swede55. She weights just a tad more at 19,000#s.

The Swede55 tended to lift over the waves much more than plunge through them and that has been my limited experience with Francis Lee on Puget Sound. And this was in the normal short chop square waves of Puget Sound.

(I suspect how fast/hard you were to sail her would also contribute to how she handled waves.)

The waves in the Pacific have tended to be of a much longer period than on the Sound (at least in my experience) so I doubt she would be much of a submarine if sailed in a seaman like manner out in the ocean.

Nothing I have seen so far in her manners would keep me from sailing her in the open ocean. She is (as I have said before) very well mannered.

My lovely wife of 46 years does not like drama while sailing and so far she is delighted with the Francis Lee's calm comfortable manners.
kimbottles is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to kimbottles For This Useful Post:
Classic30 (07-10-2014)
post #4989 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Once known as Hartley18
 
Classic30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,798
Thanks: 45
Thanked 65 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 9
   
Dock
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Interesting... thanks, Kim

-
"Honestly, I don't know why seamen persist in getting wrecked in some of the outlandish places they do, when they can do it in a nice place like Fiji." -- John Caldwell, "Desperate Voyage"
Classic30 is offline  
post #4990 of 5317 Old 07-10-2014
Senior Member
 
blt2ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,862
Thanks: 0
Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 12
   
Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

To my eye and mind, not that my mind is of any shape or form......

We need to look at from a design standpoint, and it may have been brought up many pages and posts back, as to the intent of the end user of a given boat. It may be strong enough, as pointed out re Frankie, my 28' on deck Jeanneau designed to a post fastnet ior half ton rating is also capable of going offshore etc. The question becomes, like my boat, is 20 gals of water, 7 gals of fuel enough to truly cross an ocean etc.

I know of a 74' motor cat that left Port Angelas after getting built here, now in or somewhere between PA and Panama where it will be a passenger ferry. THe 200 gals of fuel is fine for the intended usage, but the builder had to put another 200-400 in 50 gal drums to make it down the Wa to California coast to San Fransisco which is its first stop, filling the tank as it goes....not something I would find to fun.......but it will get to the final destination at some point in time.

I'm sure in the case of all three boats I have mentioned, ALL could cross an ocean per say just fine, with some appropriate mods. In the meantime, I am positive all the end users are happy with there boats.

marty

She drives me boat,
I drives me dinghy!
blt2ski is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
C & C 24 pros and cons chuckg Boat Review and Purchase Forum 13 05-20-2015 12:05 AM
Hunter 36 Pros and Cons? turfguy Hunter 15 08-25-2014 05:08 PM
Pros and Cons of Catalina 350?? turfguy C350 6 10-16-2009 05:17 PM
Watermakers—Pros and Cons Tom Wood Cruising Articles 0 06-11-2002 08:00 PM
Steel Hulls—Pros and Cons Sue & Larry Buying a Boat Articles 0 09-12-2001 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome