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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

sorry I just like to learn...weeding thorugh crap is not a job I would ever wish on someone...

much respect for thread mods...I come from motorcyle forums and they are even worse than sailing forums sometimes

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I Googled "copinol" Christian but most hits were in Spanish and that is not one of my languages. I see copinol beads and copinol weather mostly.
copinol is said to be exported to europe and the states by the name or "courbaril"

hymanea species

other names, guapinol, jatoba, algarrobo

trees can reach 40meters high...

obviously like other woods they differ from country to country in both strength, quality and uses....
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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The pros and cons of steel is the title of this thread, but it's not what it's about. If you want strict adherence check out cruising forum. I, for one, commend sailnet for letting this epic thread go "off leash".

If you don't want to wade through "crap" then pass this thread by. Unsubscribe.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Earlier there was discussion of plate on frame v. frameless. My impression is for vessels over 40-45' you can escape the major portion of the weight penalty of steel even using plate thick enough to allow ice certification. Can we discuss pro/con of this?
Would point out 99.9per cent of commercial shipping is in steel.
Steel boats and ships sink. Some of the most famous get movies or books written about them.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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copinol is said to be exported to europe and the states by the name or "courbaril"

hymanea species

other names, guapinol, jatoba, algarrobo

trees can reach 40meters high...

obviously like other woods they differ from country to country in both strength, quality and uses....
So.. you mean this stuff then??


A.k.a "Brazilian Cherry". A very hard hardwood - but not as hard as "Brazillian Walnut". Not a "Teak" either, but looks to me like a good boat-building timber. I'm sure Bob would know of it.
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Happy to.. if you can define exactly which species of the wood commonly called 'Teak' you are actually referring to.
Tectona Grandis - accept no substitutes.
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Tectona Grandis - accept no substitutes.
Burmese Teak... right you are. ..but is the "teak" you're buying old-growth or plantation? From Burma or Costa Rica??

I've seen much variation in quality recently and since Philippine Teak is now harder to come by I'm thinking of switching something else - just not sure what.
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So.. you mean this stuff then??

Hymenaea courbaril - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A.k.a "Brazilian Cherry". A very hard hardwood - but not as hard as "Brazillian Walnut". Not a "Teak" either, but looks to me like a good boat-building timber. I'm sure Bob would know of it.
didnt say it was teak but yes thats the stuff...changes by zone a bit...

down here its used for marine construction of beach houses and stuff for big beams holding the thatch roofs...

its vey strong and heavy...
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The pros and cons of steel is the title of this thread, but it's not what it's about. If you want strict adherence check out cruising forum. I, for one, commend sailnet for letting this epic thread go "off leash".

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Burmese Teak... right you are. ..but is the "teak" you're buying old-growth or plantation? From Burma or Costa Rica??

I've seen much variation in quality recently and since Philippine Teak is now harder to come by I'm thinking of switching something else - just not sure what.
You can tell plantation teak at a glance - no colour. It's still better than almost anything else for the outside of a boat, especially if you plan to leave it bare where colour doesn't matter after a while.

On a boat, teak is truly the king of woods - everything else is vying for a distant second place.
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