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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Hellosailor, a member here, seems to know a thing or two about sandblasting. He has talked about a dry ice blaster which works as well as sand, but the media evaporates so there is no cleanup. Sounds pretty awesome.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Sounds pretty expensive.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Thanks, Dirtyfloats.

Yes, I did the octagon thing for the taper. Also, I had the plate on hand so I ended up designing based on what was lying around in front of me, as is often the case.

It was a bit to much work however. Especially grinding out the welds for the entire length of the octagon.

For the Gaff extension, I happened to have the right diameter tube laying around so I used that. I then cut 4 "darts" extending from the tip to 3 feet down the length of the spar. After cutting the darts, I squeezed the remaining tube creating a very nice taper. The resulting cross-section turned out to be a very pleasing shape. Sort of an "over inflated square". I was so happy with this result I had wished I had done the same for the other spars. Oh well, next boat will be perfect - ya right.



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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Bob,

If you are concerned about my sanity, no worries as there will be no more "big boats" for me - Panope is more boat than I need as it is.

Now, if someone else is writing the checks for their dream boat, I am all ears......

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I'll keep that in mind. I've still got a few boats in my head busting to come out.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Panope:

In the end, how did building the tapered aluminum mast, compare cost wise to an extrusion? even a used one?
Seems like a lot of welding time, gas, consumables, etc...

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Im still trying to decide which route to go for a mast....

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In the end, how did building the tapered aluminum mast, compare cost wise to an extrusion? even a used one?
Seems like a lot of welding time, gas, consumables, etc...

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First, by "extrusion" I will assume you meant to say a "modern mast oval cross section extrusion" as my schedule 80 water pipe mast is also an extrusion.

I kinda dig the old timer look of a traditional gaff rig with a the luff laced to a round cross section mast rather than the sail tracks, spreaders, uppers, lowers and all that other jazz associated with the more performance oriented oval cross section masts.

Only the top 4 feet of my mast is tapered and this was done for aesthetics. Many people who use round cross section spars do not taper the ends. This works just fine.

I needed to lengthen all three of my spars (I reused the pipe from Panope's previous schooner rig) and took the opportunity to taper - just because it looks cool to me.

I will repeat that last statement because it is very very important:

BECAUSE IT LOOKS COOL TO ME.

I could try and justify thousands of the decisions that I made while rebuilding Panope with logical, practical, or economical factors. In the end, that is all just of bunch of BullS#!T because this project was a creative outlet for me - driven by emotion.

Is yours an emotionally driven project?

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

To my eye Steve's tapers say design "finesse". They simply look right and are totally in keeping with how a timber stick would have been shaped. I did the very same thing on the carbon poles in my schooner built by Jespersens. No taper just looks clumsy and elliptical extrusions on a gaff rig do not look right. No point in being design detail oriented on the hull and cabin trunk if you are not going to follow the same standards when it comes to the rig. That's what makes this boat so remarkable in my opinion.


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