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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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For the record I don't think the fact that you are from Texas means anything other than you are from Texas. I like Texas. I had the best BBQ I have ever had in Texas.
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Me personally, I get a lot of grief from certain elitists for being from Texas, but I just figure it is because they need someone to pick on to make them feel better and I generally let it go.
No, I call you Tex because it is easier than typing your full username.
I could call you tranny if you like.
I thought you were out of line and I called you on it. Bob Perry, boat designer and Brent Swain boat builder have both taken unattractive and petty shots at each other, and y'know, that's their right- they have the hulls on the water to back their sniping, to a certain extent. It ain't pretty, but it is informative.
You? You have never built or designed, or even owned a boat, and you take cheap shots at a guy because Bob made it okay? Sorry, in my opinion you don't get the limited pass that Mr. Perry gets, because a) you don't have the resume to back your play, and b) BS certainly has not missed an opportunity to snipe at Bob. If that constitutes picking on you, then you have the choice to wallow in your victimhood or rethink what you type.


Regarding "elitism"- if it is elitist to not take cheap shots at steel boat builders, advocates, homebuilders and those whose designs are aesthetically challenged, then this cheap, small boat owner/sailor is proud to wear the label. Just as the world needs Bobs, the world needs Brents as well.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

This is getting very silly.
"Elitism"?

I see an equal amount of elitism on both sides. At least most of the grp sailors are not telling the steel sailors they are stupid but BS is consistent in his claim that if you don't do it his way you are "foolish" his word. I most certainly don't think steel boat sailors as a group are "foolish". I do think BS is a fool for his elitist attitudes.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I ran across a question on a another forum that is obvious - but interesting.

If the steel origami method is all that, why aren't there legitimate builders turning these boats out? If the construction is that sound and the cost point that low - there should be some attractive economy there right?

Is it because people just don't want steel boats?
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I think you would need to sell the technique with some attractive looking examples of the build method. That is not happening now. I also think that steel is a foreign building material to a lot of current sailors who grew up in the grp era.
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I think you would need to sell the technique with some attractive looking examples of the build method. That is not happening now. I also think that steel is a foreign building material to a lot of current sailors who grew up in the grp era.
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No, I call you Tex because it is easier than typing your full username.
I could call you tranny if you like.
I thought you were out of line and I called you on it. Bob Perry, boat designer and Brent Swain boat builder have both taken unattractive and petty shots at each other, and y'know, that's their right- they have the hulls on the water to back their sniping, to a certain extent. It ain't pretty, but it is informative.
You? You have never built or designed, or even owned a boat, and you take cheap shots at a guy because Bob made it okay? Sorry, in my opinion you don't get the limited pass that Mr. Perry gets, because a) you don't have the resume to back your play, and b) BS certainly has not missed an opportunity to snipe at Bob. If that constitutes picking on you, then you have the choice to wallow in your victimhood or rethink what you type.


Regarding "elitism"- if it is elitist to not take cheap shots at steel boat builders, advocates, homebuilders and those whose designs are aesthetically challenged, then this cheap, small boat owner/sailor is proud to wear the label. Just as the world needs Bobs, the world needs Brents as well.
What are you talking about that I never owned a boat...

I have owned several, I have sailed from Texas to Brazil and back, and have never once said that I have never owned a boat. In fact I have owned quite a few which I bought, restored, sailed, and then later sold. I have sailed in the Caribbean, the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic, and the Pacific, so before you start talking about me not owning a boat you might at least have something to back that up.

For the record, I have owned a Carver Montego Double Cabin, an O'day 27, and an O'day 29, an Egg Harbor Sedan, a couple of others including a Columbia 39' sloop. I may not be able to own one right now because I decided to work for a couple of years in order to be able to actually live on the next one I buy, but that does not mean I have never owned one. For a very long time while I was married I worked for a month and spent a month on the boat, I sailed mostly on the Gulf Coast of Mexico, and I have been doing that for a long time. I do not claim to know much about sailing, but that never stopped me from actually doing it, and doing it for several months at a time, even sailing for up to nine months straight on a friends boat with them. I cannot help it that when we were in Belem, Brazil on the boat his son and daughter in law were killed in a private plane crash and we had to cut the trip short. A trip that had already lasted just under nine months, on 68' Irwin ketch. I may not be as good at sailing as most of the people on here seem to be, but if I were to purchase a boat tomorrow I could sail it to any place in the world I desired to alone. Can you say the same? I might not have sailed on the Chesapeake Bay much, but I have docked there a few times when I was on a boat. I only have about maybe 10,000 miles on blue water, and I only sailed solo maybe 1,500 of those, so I have a lot to learn about a lot of things, just not from a snot like you.

Not everyone on here is trying to boast about the things they once had, and since I no longer have them I do not much talk about it, but I guess now I have, and I doubt I will again. The first day I was on sailnet I got some really weird messages about my handle, people thought I was going to be trying to promote or sell something. I started to just sign off because it was a really weird thing to say to a new forum member, and I personally have had enough stress in my life to last me forever, but because I like to sail, and I like people who do sail, I stayed. From time to time I get frustrated with elitists, who really should not think so much of themselves, making snotty comments like the ones you so often make. I can guarantee you would not talk to me or most likely anyone else the way you do here if it were in person, and I would be the same way I am here no matter what, which makes me at least consistent in my attitude.

I bet that even you have owned things in the past that you no longer own, for whatever reason.

I actually think that quite a few of the people on here are nice, you just are not one of them. Oh, and as for what I mean by elitists, I mean those who continually talk down to others because they supposedly own a nicer boat, car, or house, or have some other alleged reason to boast. I may be a jerk sometimes, and I apologize often for it, but at least I know in my heart that the things I may have owned or done in life do not make me better than someone who is trying to get started. You take shots at some people for not jumping up and buying the first boat they look at, or for being upset when they travel a day or two to look at a boat and it is not anything like what the photos that were shown on the sale site made it out to be. You also seem to think that when people do not buy the first boat they look at, or they look at for or five boats without buying one they are somehow looky loos, or something like that, I say they are just trying not to be the proud owner of a piece of junk that they overpaid for, and that will cost them three times what it is worth in order to actually be able to sail it.
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What are you talking about that I never owned a boat...
I got that from this post:

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I'm sure you can understand my confusion, after reading that you sailed OPB and "have not gone back to sea YET"

I'm okay with not being liked.
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Boys! Go to your rooms!
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You started it, Bob.
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