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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent,

Heard You the first 1000 times. GRP bad Steel good, other (hard earned) experiences doesn't Count. The records broken!

Stuff like "My boats have no problem pointing higher and sailing faster than many GRP boats." is basically just unfounded BS, a bit like saying that my car is faster than many American cars (or my dad can beat yours).
Funny thing is steel used by any other builder than yourself seems to be bad, as evidenced by your comments on other steel boats (including Commercial vessels).


And Fram would be built in Aluminum (see what I did there?)


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GRP Is not cheaper for a new boat. You couldnt build a GRP hull for anwhere near as cheaply as a steel boat. The odds of dying in a GRP boat aground in surf are far greater than in a steel boat and exponentially greater in a mid ocean collision in GRP compared to steel.
My boats have no problem pointing higher and sailing faster than many GRP boats.
The Pardys told me they have weeks of hard work getting their wooden boats back together after every ocean crossing , while mine take only an hour or less.
Testing to destruction proves that there are limits to the reliability of calculations.
The Kon Tiki was also made of wood, but I don't think you are crossing oceans in a sistership. The Fram was made of wood, but I don't see any icebreakers made of it. Had they had modern steel technology, she would have been made of steel.

Watch great footage about the story of one man’s slow odyssey around the UK:
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"My boats have no problem pointing higher and sailing faster than many GRP boats."

What a silly thing to say.

I'd like a little more specificity on this. But if it came from BS I think it still would be BS considering his claim of his boats outrunning the racing fleet in San Diego. BS must think we are very stupid if he expects us to believe that.

I would never expect his boats to be fast boats and I can't imagine that is their primary purpose. I'm certain no one builds a BS boat for it's speed . His boats certainly have features that make them very attractive for a certain set of owners but speed is not one of them.

I do know a bit about boat speed. Just look up Swiftsure Race results for the past three years on all courses. My designs have been dominant. This is specific fact and not a silly fictitious claim.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

My Hunter is faster than and can outpoint a unicorn.

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Prove that claim with race result Smack!
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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The Pardys told me they have weeks of hard work getting their wooden boats back together after every ocean crossing , while mine take only an hour or less.
The Pardeys keep their boats in better than Bristol condition. I was on Taliesin when it was more than 15 years old and it looked like a new boat.

Your boats generally don't look like new boats when they ARE new.

If the cosmetic standard of a tug is all you are after, yeah - maybe an hour would do it.

Brent - you've been getting the credit you deserve for the unique and/or specialized aspects of your methods and boats - quit trying to make them more than they are with bull$hit claims.

No-one's buying - it simply blows your credibility.
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The Pardeys keep their boats in better than Bristol condition. I was on Taliesin when it was more than 15 years old and it looked like a new boat.

Your boats generally don't look like new boats when they ARE new.

If the cosmetic standard of a tug is all you are after, yeah - maybe an hour would do it.
I've never quite gotten Brent's line of reasoning on this either. I too can easily spend $0 and 0 time maintaining my boat. It's really not that hard. Lots of people do it.

How exactly does Brent think this is an admirable thing?
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I guess he thinks it sounds good.Hey I only spend about 15 minutes a year cleaning my body.Around Xmas/New years I'll take a quick splash, a little brush of the old teeth,maybe wipe me bum.I dont need anything frivilous or costly like laundry,I just stand out in the rain with my clothes on....never have to work at'tall or ever change yer socks an little streams of whiskey jus' come tumblin down the rocks.
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