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And, Always harping on about people with no experience with your boats or construction then using totaly anecdodal stories to make your points." A friend told me this", "Joes cousin saw that",WTF?.
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For a hermit, you sure have a lot of friends.
I do. Got my hand shaken and more compliments and invitations this summer than I can count. Anyone interested in steel boats, or simple cruising solutions in general , wants to pick my brain. Fortunately, living on a steel boat lets me sail away any time I choose. I sure wouldn't want to live at a fixed street address. That wouldn't give me any hermit time.

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And, Always harping on about people with no experience with your boats or construction then using totaly anecdodal stories to make your points." A friend told me this", "Joes cousin saw that",WTF?.
I have been in touch with steel boat owners for the last 40 years around here, and across the Pacific, etc.

Where can I find government documentation of everything you have been told over a lifetime.
Wikileaks?
Not yet!

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent,

Pictures and documentation or it didn't happen.
For a starter;
Pictures of the actual non-welded internal.
Pictures of the filler
Case documents.

Get some of the owners to write here on SN (I wouldn't pick Nuthin Wong, though)

That way you just might start (re)building credibility.

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A friend went to see an amazon being built. The builder told him the boat was ready for spray foaming and the foamer was coming that night. There was nothing but a light coat of primer inside, and no welding inside. He could see almost an eighth of an inch into the welds, with the outside mostly ground off. There was roughly the thickness of a beer can holding the seams together. My friend built one of mine, and sailed her from BC to England.
Another friend, Eric, ordered an amazon, bare hull and decks, and insisted on no primer. He wanted to see the state of the bare steel hull. They primed it anyway . When he sandblasted her he found the primer was there to hide very thick layers of filler.
A Kiwi told me his friend ordered an Amazon, and specified longitudinals be tacked with a 2 inch tack every 6 inches. When he scraped out some foam, he found they had a half inch tack every 2 feet. He persued the builder with a court summons, to sue him. When he caught up with him, and served the summons , the shop declared bankruptcy, and that was the last amazon ever built.
Those are the kind of boats which impress Bob. I don't build boats in a way which impresses Bob. I build them properly.
What causes distortion? Welding ! How do you avoid distortion on a boat with transverse framing? Don't weld it well. Guaranteed to impress those who don't understand steel boats.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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I have been in touch with steel boat owners for the last 40 years around here, and across the Pacific, etc.

Where can I find government documentation of everything you have been told over a lifetime.
Wikileaks?
Not yet!

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That was in the 80s. I wasn't around when he sandblasted, or foamed. If you didn't get a picture of your self taking a crap, it has never happened?
Now that's analy retentive!
How about every day of your sailing experience? Those you don't have pictures of ,have never happened ?
Ya sure!

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I have been in touch with steel boat owners for the last 40 years around here, and across the Pacific, etc.

Where can I find government documentation of everything you have been told over a lifetime.
Wikileaks?
Not yet!
I am not trying to prove or sell anything. I dont no shyte about steel boats other than what Ive read.I am not going to tell you,"Joe blow told me this boat sucks" Unless I actually saw it myself and understood what I was dealing with.Then I could state it with confidence. " I was not impressed by such and such".Then of course I would be held accountable to back it up.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Okay, Brent, we can argue this all day long. Instead, I think it's better to open it up some...

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If you are thinking about a building or sailing a steel boat - does what you see in this thread make you more or less confident in investing your time and money into a Brent Swain boat?


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Come on you guys. We are being a bit hard on Brent. He has his thing and he has earned his thing. Some of us don't want it and we are insulted by some of his silly, and obviously false claims. He's a salesman selling plans to home builders. He's not the first and he's not the worst. I admire what he does, to a degree and I see the niche for it. I would prefer working with Brent than Bruce Roberts and I know Bruce quite well. Brent has extensive hands on experience with his build projects. Bruce does not. If I was building a boat of Brent's and had a problem I'm sure all I would have to do would be to shoot Brent an airline ticket, put himn up in the house for a couple of days and he would cut and weld my way out of trouble. He seems like that kind of guy. He probably charges a reasonable amount for his time and I'd gladly pay it if I were the client builder in trouble.

We have two colliding worlds here. And at this time I think I need to fall back on one of my very favorite movie quotes but let me paraphrase just a tad bit:

Janet, "I don't like steel boats."
Frankenfurter, "I didn't build it for you!"

God I hate trying to be a nice guy. But I know it's the adult thing to do.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think that Brent would be a hoot in small doses in person, kind of like a boat building Uncle Si Robertson.

It is good to learn from your mistakes, but much better to learn from the mistakes of others...
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