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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Okay, Brent, we can argue this all day long. Instead, I think it's better to open it up some...

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If you are thinking about a building or sailing a steel boat - does what you see in this thread make you more or less confident in investing your time and money into a Brent Swain boat?
Not what Ive seen in this thread,No,but, Ive liked steel and wanted to learn to work it for awhile. I saw the Silas Crosby at Aquatic park when they stopped here a few years back.I found thier blog and have been following it since then.Its a great blog,Great trip,good photos,some vids.Steves an enjoyable writer and they seem to be enjoying the voyage and the boat.That blog alone could sell alot of plans for ya Brent.It gives a very realistic picture of what the boat is capable of.They have averaged 100 nm in 24 hours over the long haul which is what I would expect from a heavy, loaded 36 foot cruising boat.
His best DAYS run was 175 nm.Same with the Tagish circumnavigation blog.Nothing out the ordinary there either.They enjoy there boat and the cruise.I like the idea of origami construction.It peaked my curiosity.But I cant get around the look.The 31 has a nice sheer and a nice bow profile.It looks good in that 'John Deer' kind of way.Not pretty but "loyal" like she wont let ya down.The 36 sheer looks like its flat then rises in the middle like its hogged.Im not nockin John Deer by the way,I worked with a 1946 John Deer 2 cylinder diesel tractor in South Dakota( long story),That was an incredible machine.But I am a wood butcher at heart.I like wood.Forget all the fear mongering. I need my sub concious retrained like in the movie Inception. I see an old wood sailboat in the boat yard and I go into a trance,Like kid who finds a stray dog.My dream security team goes into action YOUR DREAMING!,RUN AWAY FROM THE OLD ROTTEN BOAT!.
Here a link to the Silas Crosby Blog
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Ive just seen a 1926 Hand schooner and am being saved by the dream security team.I worked on that Islander 36.I sail on her also.Great boat
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I agree with you Mark.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Okay, Brent, we can argue this all day long. Instead, I think it's better to open it up some...

A QUESTION TO READERS OF THIS THREAD:

If you are thinking about a building or sailing a steel boat - does what you see in this thread make you more or less confident in investing your time and money into a Brent Swain boat?
I think it would be good. Brent is passionate about what he does and has the experience to back it up. With a little tweaking of some design features I'm sure somebody can get something quite nice. This is a hands on approach to boat building and will not be something the average person could realistically undertake. So, yes, if I wanted something bullet proof and had the time and inclination I would. Might give the design tweaking contract to Bob...
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

While I admire Your restraint, I don't see why we can't ask for documentation to back up just a few of Brent's claims. Guessed his answer would be along the lines of "it happened in the 80's so have no Pictures", because we have seen NOTHING to back up his claims.
All we have seen are some rusting hulks destroying our reefs and Waters like Nuthin Wong.

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A QUESTION TO READERS OF THIS THREAD:

If you are thinking about a building or sailing a steel boat - does what you see in this thread make you more or less confident in investing your time and money into a Brent Swain boat?
Based on what we have seen and heard in this (and other) threads re. Brent Swain boats I'd tell people to run away - not from steel, but from his boats.


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Come on you guys. We are being a bit hard on Brent. He has his thing and he has earned his thing. Some of us don't want it and we are insulted by some of his silly, and obviously false claims. He's a salesman selling plans to home builders. He's not the first and he's not the worst. I admire what he does, to a degree and I see the niche for it. I would prefer working with Brent than Bruce Roberts and I know Bruce quite well. Brent has extensive hands on experience with his build projects. Bruce does not. If I was building a boat of Brent's and had a problem I'm sure all I would have to do would be to shoot Brent an airline ticket, put himn up in the house for a couple of days and he would cut and weld my way out of trouble. He seems like that kind of guy. He probably charges a reasonable amount for his time and I'd gladly pay it if I were the client builder in trouble.

We have two colliding worlds here. And at this time I think I need to fall back on one of my very favorite movie quotes but let me paraphrase just a tad bit:

Janet, "I don't like steel boats."
Frankenfurter, "I didn't build it for you!"

God I hate trying to be a nice guy. But I know it's the adult thing to do.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Here is a "tweaked" origami boat from YM Tanton.Its the Imagiro 35
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

If I was planning on building a boat for going cruising open endedly I would seriously investigate one of Brent's boats. He lives nearby so I could go to the source, sail on one of them, possibly even see one being folded up and so forth.

I've never been a big fan of conically developed boats because of all the corners but the origami process improves that a lot.

Nothing I've read here would send me running away. Brent is kind of messianic about his methods but that's O/K - it wouldn't degrade the boat in my view. Probably a lot of it is purely a defensive reaction to a lot of the more negative commentary here.

The bullet proof quality and the twin fin/beach-ability aspects have a definite appeal, as does the welded instead of bolted deck hardware - for that kind of use. I wouldn't particularly want one (steel) for local cruising.

Much of the negative opinion expressed here relates to the "workboat" aesthetics he prefers but that is easily remedied during construction - plenty simple to mount sleek hatches instead of submarine hatches and so forth.

The fact is that his boats have made many successful trans-oceanic voyages so there is no reason to dismiss the concept simply because Brent tends to stand on a fairly tall soap box.

I always enjoyed Speakers Corner in Hyde Park as well.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"Brent is kind of messianic about his methods"

That doesn't bother me. It's the total BS (the mythical and non existant 28' custom Perry alu boat for instance) he posts about his boats and the constant attacks on anything that is not his product that indicates to me we are dealing with someone who has a very narrow perspective of yachting. If I were to work with someone I would prefer to work with someone who is a little more open minded.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I hear ya there Bob.If wanted to argue,and be belittled about my choices Id get married.JK
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"Brent is kind of messianic about his methods"

That doesn't bother me. It's the total BS (the mythical and non existant 28' custom Perry alu boat for instance) he posts about his boats and the constant attacks on anything that is not his product that indicates to me we are dealing with someone who has a very narrow perspective of yachting. If I were to work with someone I would prefer to work with someone who is a little more open minded.
And stating that you will survive a grounding just because it's built of steel, which is false and dangerous claims. Going to sea with that impression might be fatal, and the basis for my concerns.
If a Company - say medico - states that you can survive jumping off a bridge if you eat their latest pill, would you trust them and their other products?
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