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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Classic:
"That reminds me of a famous quote from another designer, almost as well-known as yourself:"

Oh, come on now. If you are going to make snide remarks you surley can make better ones than that. It's just not clever or illuminating. In short, it's drivel.

I recommend the Jack London school of Composition. You can find it on line I'm sure.

It will try to teach you to say EXACTLY what you are trying to say with a minimum of words. Give that a go. Because I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Is English a second language for you?

Tad's boat looks quite nice to me. A bit simplistic but the basics look fine. I think details define a boat. Tad's image looks a bit like a kid's bathtub toy.
But I like it. That is my kibnd of boat.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Classic:
"That reminds me of a famous quote from another designer, almost as well-known as yourself:"

Oh, come on now. If you are going to make snide remarks you surley can make better ones than that. It's just not clever or illuminating. In short, it's drivel.

I recommend the Jack London school of Composition. You can find it on line I'm sure.

It will try to teach you to say EXACTLY what you are trying to say with a minimum of words. Give that a go. Because I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Is English a second language for you?
Bob, "English" is certainly not a second language for me (though "American" might be.. ) - and despite the long-winded quote, given his accent I imagine it isn't a second language for Colin Mudie either.

Snide remark? Yes it was... but it was never intended to cause offence since I like looking at "shiny boats" just as much as the next guy. I was merely pointing out the oft-forgotten fact that "shiny boats" mean continuous hard work for the owner and/or his various boat-slaves, whilst the rest of admire, hands in pockets, from a distance...
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

It would be interesting to see a BS origami boat done up correctly. Even a bit of shine would be good. Do the builders/owners/engineers not get it? Not sure why they aren't able to come up with a single picture of something we could ooooo and ahhhhhhh about.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I think the basic issue is this guy:



He's the builder/owner of "Nuthin' Wong" - a Brentboat. And, if you look at his blog, he's actually the closest thing to Brent's cruising ideal than ANY of his other clients. This guy is the Brent Swain Apostle - eschewing "treadmill society" at every turn, allegedly liberating money and materiel from anyone that crosses his path. I mean, where have you heard this schpiel before (from NW's blog):

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"To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at sea… cruising it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wonderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in.

If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about. “I’ve always wanted to sail to the south seas, but I can’t afford it.” What these men can’t afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of security. And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine – and before we know it our lives are gone.

What does a man need – really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in – and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That’s all – in the material sense, and we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade. The years thunder by, the dreams of youth grow dim where they lie caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it, the tomb is sealed.

Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy of purse or bankruptcy of life?"
Yet Brent throws him under the bus. It's interesting to say the least.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I read that ditty. I think it is from Sterling Hayden. Glad I stepped off the treadmill on one of Bob's boats.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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"To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at sea… cruising it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wonderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in.

If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about. “I’ve always wanted to sail to the south seas, but I can’t afford it.” What these men can’t afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of security. And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine – and before we know it our lives are gone.

What does a man need – really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in – and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That’s all – in the material sense, and we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade. The years thunder by, the dreams of youth grow dim where they lie caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it, the tomb is sealed.

Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy of purse or bankruptcy of life?"
What complete and utter pretentious bull$hit - if you're not poor your experiences aren't "genuine"?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Curious about opinions on boat colors. Thought black on steel boats was initially due to the color of coal tars. Thought white came from the great H's " white and the wrong color" . Looking around here see I P tan,a lot of white, faded reds and blues, and few black with the AC running all the time.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Chall:
You are most probably right about Classic. I retract my rant.
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Curious about opinions on boat colors. Thought black on steel boats was initially due to the color of coal tars. Thought white came from the great H's " white and the wrong color" . Looking around here see I P tan,a lot of white, faded reds and blues, and few black with the AC running all the time.
Flag blue seems to be rapidly becoming the new white.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

One of my clients just shot this photo of WILD HORSES leaving the Perry Rendezvous. This is the alu hull, composite deck boat and now a live aboard getting ready to head for the South Pacific.
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