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Would seem this line of thinking would also apply to other materials not just steel. Even a glass boat when hit in a manner that the force was oblique to the plane of the hull would be stronger. It would be weakest if struck perpendicular to the hull. Increased curvature would also decrease likelihood of "oilcanning". Would think this improvement would be more likely to occur in a fully developed hull with compound curves than a chined hull or hull with simple curves. Would think having a fine bow would likely also increase strength in context of impact . Speaks well for the Sliver.
Still remember earlier post about hitting the corner of a container at hull speed. That remains my nightmare so think having a forward collusion bulkhead makes sense.
Yes, more compound curves definitely make any hull stronger, but hard chine steel hulks are so overstrength that it would not be worth the huge increase in time and expense for something so irrelevant. Most round bilged steel hulls use a lot of filler , eliminating one of the advantages of a steel hull in the first place , care free cruising. You don't want to chip the bondo.
Yes, fibreglass hulls benefit greatly by their compound curves, and flat surfaces on fibreglass hulls, without additional stiffening, should be viewed with suspicion.
Any designer working in a heavy material should, before adding unnecessary parts, look for some other part or feature which will be serving the same function.
Few designers have anything to offer, to deal with biggest hurdles most wanna be cruises face , time and money.
In fact, all too often, their response to such issues is often ridicule and obstructionist disinformation. Unless one has unlimited funds, they would be wise to steer clear of such designers, and their "advice".
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Few designers have anything to offer, to deal with biggest hurdles most wanna be cruises face , time and money.
I would suggest the same applies to builders. If a person wants to go cruising but has limited time & money, their best course of action by far is to buy an existing boat and prep it to suit.

No-one can build a boat remotely as cheaply as something similar can be bought used.

I speak from experience.
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Finally! I found those pics of the $2 blocks Brent was talking about:







I assume these are from his own boat - which starts to give some small indication of its condition. I guess we all have different measures of "perfection".
As you can see, they are in perfect condition, with zero wear or corrosion after 29 years , and many Pacific crossings. If you want "shiny" you can do it in minutes with a brillo pad on a grinder. That has never been a priority for me. I prefer to concentrate on structurally and functionally sound. I have no interest in impressing anyone but the practical.

Thanks for posting these Smack. They make my point.
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Here is a cute photo of the Sliver keel.
Holy crap! That's huge!

Or is she 18" tall?
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As you can see, they are in perfect condition, with zero wear or corrosion after 29 years , and many Pacific crossings. If you want "shiny" you can do it in minutes with a brillo pad on a grinder. That has never been a priority for me. I prefer to concentrate on structurally and functionally sound. I have no interest in impressing anyone but the practical.

Thanks for posting these Smack. They make my point.
No worries, Swaindaddy. Actually, I think what this shows more than anything is your definition of "perfection". It's much, much narrower than the typical interpretation of what most would even remotely consider "perfect". So this was a very good exercise. Now the 99%-er can have a clear illustration of what you mean by "the perfect yacht": a floating tractor.

How about some more photos of your boat so we can see more perfection?

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In fact, all too often, their response to such issues is often ridicule and obstructionist disinformation. Unless one has unlimited funds, they would be wise to steer clear of such designers, and their "advice".
Just to be clear, I only ridicule and obstruct disingenuous knuckleheads. And I have unlimited funds to do so.
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Holy crap! That's huge!

Or is she 18" tall?
Kerry is 5'5", the keel is about 9' (The boat draws 10')

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Kerry is 5'5", the keel is about 9' (The boat draws 10')

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Excuse me but Kerry is 3" tall.
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Me thinks I am glad I am on the wrong side of the pond, relaxing on my eetsy bitsy boat, with mr winston and spouse, homefully sailing back tomorrow.

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