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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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What would that cost to build for the typical homemaker?
I've never met a "homemaker" who could build stainless boat blocks.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Those boats are pushed to limits that the typical cruiser doesn't know exist. We need guys out there, young guys, to push the boats so we can learn and find out out to design better boats. They don't call it the "cutting edge" for nothing.

As my old boss Dick Carter used to say about race boats, "If it doesn't break it was over built."

It's not fair to hold Brent to the Garhauer aesthetic. He should just come close. But he has left the building. When things get real BS is hard to find.

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Many morbidly obese skippers, buy expensive blocks, to reduce the weight on deck by a few ounces. ( Yacht club logic?) They could far more easily find the source of weight on deck, by taking a look in the mirror.
Bob, your quote of Carter explains exactly why cruisers should not get their gear and advice from the racing folks, and those who cater to them, and their priorities.
Anyone who can build a boat, can build a block ( Furler , anchor winch, anchors , etc etc)
Where do I send the Brent block ( as soon as the money arrives) How do I know $11 will cover the shipping?
I have a life beyond the internet( unlike some) I am cruising ( you know, the stuff this site talks about, but few actually do most of the time, while telling those who do, that we have it all wrong)
As I point out in my book, you can judge the value of advice from what it has done fort he person offering it. If you wan to spend your entire day, telling people, who actively cruise most of the time, that they have it all wrong, while rarely cruising yourself , them Bob and Smack are your best source . If you want to be able to cruise 11 months a year from your mid 20's, then it would not be wise to get your advice from anyone who has never accomplished that. Cruising dreams suffer the death of a thousand cuts. While buying small things like blocks new, wont kill the dream, carrying that thinking thruout the project will add up to costs that definitely will, and too often has. Best nip such thinking in the bud, and treat any suggestion that the "Yotty" way is your only option, with the scepticism and distain it deserves, given how many cruising dreams it has killed.

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"Many morbidly obese skippers, buy expensive blocks, to reduce the weight on deck by a few ounces. ( Yacht club logic?)"

There you go again with that BS judgementalist ethic. I think you are projecting again Brent.

The Carter quote is made half jokingly as anyone with a sense of humor could guess.

I spent a very nice and very busy morning with my new client Dave working on his new 42'er. It will be composite. I showed him the pics of the BS blocks. That is certainly NOT what he wants regardless of how long they last. He chuckled at the thought.

I'm not ready to post drawings yet. Mind you, the preliminary drawings are very nice but the boat is not ready to meet the public yet. I still have some fine tuning to do. the client is a builder of homes but not a "homebuilder". This is the third design I have done for him. We will have the boat built at a major yacht building yard. It will be a very beautiful boat.

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I'm not ready to post drawings yet. Mind you, the preliminary drawings are very nice but the boat is not ready to meet the public yet. I still have some fine tuning to do. the client is a builder of homes but not a "homebuilder". This is the third design I have done for him. We will have the boat built at a major yacht building yard. It will be a very beautiful boat.
Looking forward to the day it is ready to meet the public..

btw, sadly saw 'Wild Horses' sitting on her rudder, bow down at Jedidiah Island in early August. Hopefully no serious damage was done. There was not much wind or wave action.

one more btw, (slightly off topic, I know) do you know, Bob, how many Reliance 37s were built?

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"Many morbidly obese skippers, buy expensive blocks, to reduce the weight on deck by a few ounces. ( Yacht club logic?)"

There you go again with that BS judgementalist ethic. I think you are projecting again Brent.

The Carter quote is made half jokingly as anyone with a sense of humor could guess.

I spent a very nice and very busy morning with my new client Dave working on his new 42'er. It will be composite. I showed him the pics of the BS blocks. That is certainly NOT what he wants regardless of how long they last. He chuckled at the thought.

I'm not ready to post drawings yet. Mind you, the preliminary drawings are very nice but the boat is not ready to meet the public yet. I still have some fine tuning to do. the client is a builder of homes but not a "homebuilder". This is the third design I have done for him. We will have the boat built at a major yacht building yard. It will be a very beautiful boat.
What will be the price tag? What I object to is the suggestion that one has to be rich, or should wait until they are rich before cruising. I enjoy giving the not so rich the option of enjoying just as good a boats, from a practical point, as the rich, and enjoying cruising as much or more, without going to all the trouble of getting rich ( and thus increasing their environmental foot print exponentially) .

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You can rebuild anything when it gets old - it just depends how much you're willing to spend.

I watched a couple of guys "rebuild" a late 60's Bronco from nothing but the cowl, literally - EVERYTHING else, every scrap of sheetmetal, the frame etc. etc. was replaced.

Much the same as some of those "rebuilds" of dead wood boats.
A cruiser friend compared older wooden boats to that old quote;
"This is exactly the same axe my great great grandfather used. Since then it has had 3 new heads and six new handles."
There eventually remains not much original in" rebuilt" older boats. It soon becomes easier , quicker and cheaper to build from scratch

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Brent, this guy isn't waiting. He's doing it. Cost of the boat will be above $500,00 and under $600,000. I know that just pisses you off but too bad. That's your personal problem. Some people have the money and enjoy spending it things that make them happy. I'm glad they come to me. I can give them the boat they dream of. That's why this client came back.

Faster: WH has a big strong all alu spade rudder. I hope they get off without damage.
I guess they pulled a Swain. Probably saw one of BS's boats on the rocks and said to themselves, "Hey, that looks like fun. Let's try it."

I have no idea how many Reliance 37's were built. That was a long time ago and they were a dicey bunch. I suspect maybe 6 hulls were built. The project was owned by two partners that didn't stay partners very long. I have only known one owner, a German fellow who used to come to the Rendezvous. His boat was yellow. He was heading off cruising the last time I spoke to him. As I recall he was a ski designer with one of the major companies. He brought me a beautful pair of new skis one year. I still have them.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Last few days it's been raining with T storms, or fog and no wind. Not much fun to sail in that stuff. So the bride and I have been cleaning the boat and organizing (? re organizing) stuff. Had the AC on for awhile to kill the humidity and the webasto at night when it got cold . Watched the movie about Bob Dylan on the flat screen and listened to tunes from the Ipad while reading. Cooked some wonderful food and had a grand time although stuck in one place. Even had our slip neighbors over for drinks and some chuckles. Were pigs with fresh water. You would have loved it Brent. We broke every rule you have so you would have felt free. (Still have a couple of good cigars -they go well with single malt)Totally agree the stars are no brighter if you have money in your pocket or none. Still, being a fat old man why can't I have some fun? Why do you project such hate toward folks who have worked hard all their lives and are now trying to enjoy the fruit of their labor. ?Are you jealous or just a misanthrope.

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I celebrate your success and your happiness. You should feel pretty damn good.

Don't let BS and his hair shirt crowd,,,,Hey! I just had a brilliant flash......build a BS boat and call it HAIR SHIRT.

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