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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Alright! Jeez!

What do you think of steel?


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So I figured.
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So I figured.
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I thought you'd see what I did there. You're smart.

I just have to be careful since I have a long line of irony-challenged forum dudes in my wake whose feelings are very hurt. The "Trolls Anonymous" program I'm in wants me to be more sensitive. So, just workin' the steps. You know how it is.

Even so, I CANNOT bring myself to use the smileys. I hate those damn things!

How many now?


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Alright! Jeez!

What do you think of steel?
Well I have owned boats of all materials (except ferro-cement ). There is a place in this world for all boat building materials (even ferro). Each person needs to decide what is important to them and which material meets their needs/wants the best. (I have sailed on vessels of every material including ferro. They all work.)

I have also spent quite a bit of time on both sail and power boats (as skipper and crew and passenger). I never did understand why there has to be any competition between them. I own both power and sail boats and plan to continue to do so.

The one thing I really don't understand about Mr. Swain is why he needs to belittle and slam boats different than his. He apparently builds a vessel that meets a need. Good for him. They will appeal to some people and not to others. (Just like sail boats and power boats will.)

We all make our own choices about boats and as long as WE are happy with our choices then why would anyone else care?

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I thought you'd see what I did there. You're smart.

I just have to be careful since I have a long line of irony-challenged forum dudes in my wake whose feelings are very hurt. The "Trolls Anonymous" program I'm in wants me to be more sensitive. So, just workin' the steps. You know how it is.

Even so, I CANNOT bring myself to use the smileys. I hate those damn things!

How many now?
Well I posted 2/8 on my last post but then had to correct it via "edit" to 8/2, so this looks like 9/1, one more and I can return to the lurking program I much prefer. As you well know I have plenty of opportunity to post on the Sliver Thread over on CA.

I am not fond of smileys either.

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The one thing I really don't understand about Mr. Swain is why he needs to belittle and slam boats different than his. He apparently builds a vessel that meets a need. Good for him. They will appeal to some people and not to others. (Just like sail boats and power boats will.)
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That superior attitude is EXACTLY why I keep at the guy...that and his casting his means-and-ends in a light that makes very little financial or time-requirement sense to anyone but him - especially the customer base he's preaching to. I honestly don't get it.

It's like "Swaintology" or something. Everyone else can see it's really whacky...except Brent...and maybe Tom Cruise.


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Well he and all of the rest of the posters do make this thread entertaining to read.

There it is 10/0

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Agreed!

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Many morbidly obese skippers, buy expensive blocks, to reduce the weight on deck by a few ounces. ( Yacht club logic?) They could far more easily find the source of weight on deck, by taking a look in the mirror.
Bob, your quote of Carter explains exactly why cruisers should not get their gear and advice from the racing folks, and those who cater to them, and their priorities.
Anyone who can build a boat, can build a block ( Furler , anchor winch, anchors , etc etc)
Where do I send the Brent block ( as soon as the money arrives) How do I know $11 will cover the shipping?
I have a life beyond the internet( unlike some) I am cruising ( you know, the stuff this site talks about, but few actually do most of the time, while telling those who do, that we have it all wrong)
As I point out in my book, you can judge the value of advice from what it has done fort he person offering it. If you wan to spend your entire day, telling people, who actively cruise most of the time, that they have it all wrong, while rarely cruising yourself , them Bob and Smack are your best source . If you want to be able to cruise 11 months a year from your mid 20's, then it would not be wise to get your advice from anyone who has never accomplished that. Cruising dreams suffer the death of a thousand cuts. While buying small things like blocks new, wont kill the dream, carrying that thinking thruout the project will add up to costs that definitely will, and too often has. Best nip such thinking in the bud, and treat any suggestion that the "Yotty" way is your only option, with the scepticism and distain it deserves, given how many cruising dreams it has killed.

Found an internet café, far better than the pub, where the smoke from the leper colony (Smoking section ) doesn't blow in.
Hey Brent...where do I send the $11 and my return address? I'm really excited to get this going. If you can calculate the shipping now go ahead and let me know on that as well and I'll send all of it. I assume it wouldn't weigh much more than one of your books? So maybe $5?


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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Holy Cow! I just found a BrentBoat - perfect and rust-free, of course - actually under sail in the conditions Brent most prefers for his boats:



Ah, cruising.

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Try that with a plastic boat and see how it makes out. You have made my point absolutely, when it comes to strength. Alex had no other options, when boat movers refused to move it out from under a high tension power line. While he got plenty of criticism for moving her this way, not a single critic had any alternative to offer. So Smack, tell us how you would move her, when not a single boat mover or crane operator would touch her where she sat?
And what would be the price of your suggested option?
Rent for the building site was $20 a month!

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