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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Come on Marty, drive down to the the winery tonight and watch me rock the house.

We start at 7pm. Got to run.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Which winery?!?!?!?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

lets see, which winery.....I know of at least 2 dozen in woodinville along, from st michelle, to columbia to multitudes of smaller ones. Know of two here in Edmonds, there is olympic near pa.....oh boy! this hurts the brain electron a LOT! remembering all them places to drink wine at.......oh boy ohboy ohboy.........
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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Which would you prefer to risk colliding with Fukashima debris in? Which would YOU choose to risk your crew and family in?
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent,

This guy seems to have combined both the Origami method (with the fewer welds) with wood frames (not permanent to boat as would be welded rib and stringer frame) to assure shape and computer program to define the shape.


I noticed that the boat he is building is a modern design. All of the pictures of your boats that I have seen seem to be older designs. Lots of people have described your boats as not being pretty, but part of that is probably that your designs look dated (at least to my eye). Dated or modern, either way, people can cruise them.

Using your exact method, could you build a modern looking boat....like that one in the video? Just thinking, if you can, and you were to update your designs, you'd have a bigger market. Maybe some collaboration with the computer expert that was mentioned in the video might be a quick way to do it.

Sorry if my comments above are out of line....in such case, please disregard.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Great video. Thanks NC. Those are actually some nice looking boats.

Seems they went out of business pretty quickly though. Bummer.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Okay - I'm mystified. It seems Brent is weaseling out of The Great Block Test of 2013:

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Nice looking block. Not your average $30 Lewmar. More like $95 each. Carry that kind of thinking thru a whole boat building and outfitting process, and you will never leave home, deleting the reason for building a boat in the first place , like Smack has always done ,or advocated.
A friend has some Schafer yachty type blocks, he will trade me for one of mine. I will do the test, and have him video it, then post it here and elsewhere. He will be better off with one of mine. He knows that !
Brent, you're backing out now? Schaefers aren't Garhauers. So you're lowering the bar bro. You still haven't told me where to send the money for the block. Why is that? I'm starting to wonder if you're a little worried.

Oh, and you need to read more carefully. The Garhauer I spec'd above is less than $22.

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That's why I offered you $11 for one of yours...1/2 the price of the Garhauer. It's a tremendous profit for you. And I'm ready to send you the money. So? Are you going to pony up? Or weasel out?

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Surely Brent's not this scared. He seemed so confident in his product. Hmm.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Back from my gig. Music was good.

Bent seems to fade away when you ask for any reality.

He does far better when he can make up is own facts.

I'm still waiting for four nice looking BS boats. That is really sad that BS can't proviide four nice looking boats I can provide countless. Countless.
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Back from my gig. Music was good.

Bent seems to fade away when you ask for any reality.

He does far better when he can make up is own facts.

I'm still waiting for four nice looking BS boats. That is really sad that BS can't proviide four nice looking boats I can provide countless. Countless.
Don't worry Bob. Brent will do the block thing. He makes an insanely good profit and the block he sends me crushes the Garhauer, once again proving him right. There's just absolutely no reason not to do it. Well, okay, there's the fact that not doing it would prove you right. But that won't be an issue. He's very confident in his work - it's been proven again and again over decades. Absolutely no downside.

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Nice lines! You definitely have a good set of eyes for shape, the best in the business.The first one looks like better hull balance than the second one. Don't have much faith in fig leaf rudders tho. Raking them aft reduces their efficiency , style over substance.
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Don't worry Bob. Brent will do the block thing. He makes an insanely good profit and the block he sends me crushes the Garhauer, once again proving him right. There's just absolutely no reason not to do it. Well, okay, there's the fact that not doing it would prove you right. But that won't be an issue. He's very confident in his work - it's been proven again and again over decades. Absolutely no downside.

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"You're the best in the business. Now let me tell you what's wrong with your work."
+ Tactics, such as using the term "fig leaf" instead of providing real proven data on spade rudders is another often employed tactic of psychopats/fanatics that has nothing but belief that their way is the only way, but can't support it with facts.
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