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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

"fig leaf" rudder? I kind of like that. I might use that in a review.

Hope you get your block Smacker. I hope t's strong. I know it's going to be ugly. I hope you don't damage your car.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Told you.
The moments things get real BS goes "cruising".
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Brent- just got into Newport r.i. Myboat's in the show. Coming down hit something at 8.4 kts. About 4' square white thingy about one foot below the surface. In the chop didn't see it until it passed under the stern.
Amazing thing no damage to hull or rudder. Although it made a big thunk. Didn't sink or be swallowed by a whale either.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Not possible.

Definitely not Fukushima Debris. Maybe something from Mattresses R Us?
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Smack- amazing thing.now tied to a pier so able to check most of hull. Can't even see any impact point. Gee and I thought grp was as tough as w et bread.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

FWIW I have done a lot of boating in the last 60+ years and I have hit floating and semi-floating objects VERY HARD in traditional wood boats, contemporary composite wood boats (cold molded West System), solid glassfiber boats, balsa cored glassfiber boats and an aluminum boat. Never took a drop of water in any of the incidents.

Speeds involved were:
Aluminum 35 knots (powerboat)
West System 20 knots (powerboat)
Solid Glass 8 knots (sailboat)
Cored Glass 8 knots (sailboat)
Wood 7 knots (sailboat)

From what I have read composite construction can be stronger than steel pound for pound. Of all of the incidents I have experienced the West System boat felt the strongest.

I am sure steel is strong, but given all of the other issues with steel it would not be my first choice for a boat building material. I think when taking all aspects of boat building material into account I would always chose some sort of epoxy composite material (as we have done on the Francis Lee project.)

People vote with their dollars on boats, having owned and/or operated vessels built of just about every boat building material there is, I vote for epoxy composite construction.

You are of course free to vote however you so chose.

(The only time I ever hit something and took on water was when I ripped an outdrive off hitting an unseen submerged object. That was the only insurance claim I have ever had in 60+ years of boating.)

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

I ran my Mercedes into a ditch one night and did a lot ot damage.

Out: Beware the delayed reaction. You could have festering wounds to your laminate that you can't see.

Honestly I'm glad your alive to tell the tale. Going to sea in that flimsy boat? You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

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(The only time I ever hit something and took on water was when I ripped an outdrive off hitting an unseen submerged object. That was the only insurance claim I have ever had in 60+ years of boating.)
It was probably a BrentBoat you hit. According to a friend, one was sitting just beneath the water on a rock (submarine-mode) in that area waiting for low tide about the time you mention. Dry as bone inside of course. The owner was having ice cream. You probably mistook the mast for a channel marker pylon or old tree and cut it too close.

Just goes to show how strong BrentBoats are. Ripped your flimsy outdrive right out. The BrentBoat didn't have a scratch once it surfaced and moved to another rock the next day when the towtruck driver came and hitched it back up.

60+ years is impressive, but with all due respect, I notice you don't have steel on your list of past boat materials. So you can't possibly understand the merits of Swaintology.
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Will tap the hull next haul out but doubt injury. Think most impacts are oblique to the hull making forces less and effective thickness of the hul more.
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I was kidding. I'm sure your solid lam is as good as the day it was new.

The Church of Swaintology? I like it.
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