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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

You tried Smack. I think in many cases we have been fair with our requests for Brent. But he likes to duck out when the reality sets in. I never got a weight study. I never got a set of lines. I proudly publish my own examples of that stuff because I think they show the care that I put into new designs.

Here is some reality from my camp. The Sliver Prject FRANCIS LEE gets some paint on the deck. A lot of it will get sanded off as we strive for a very fair deck.
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Voyage of the Raging Queen was my favorite SNL skit series.

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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

Glad they're steel:




Oooh no, they're GRP (or plastic to use a Swainism)
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Oooh no, they're GRP (or plastic to use a Swainism)
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Re: Pros and cons of steel sailboats

For anyone wanting feedback on my designs , a client ( Andy Deering) had his letter published in the June issue of Latitude 38.
Latitude 38 Letters - June 2013

He gives some interesting conclusions after 60,000 miles cruising the Pacific , from the Southern Ocean to the Aleutians. I think with that kind of experience, he knows a lot more about my boats that any armchair expert with near zero cruising experience, siting in a chair , juggling numbers. I think he nails the source of the problem.

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I'm getting a little worried. It seems he might be backing out. I don't get it. How could someone turn down over 500% in profit and a chance to prove the naysayers wrong?
I'm currently cruising beautiful islands, deserted by the summer crowds, where the swimming is still excellent, the hunting and fishing great, and to do what Smack demands would mean going back to the city early. So why would I give up a minute in paradise, because some envious armchair expert , who thinks I am having to much fun( which I am!) demands I drop everything and cater to his demands?
Ask me again in the late fall, when I have nothing better to do.
Not a lot of internet access in these islands. None on Read island , nor northern Cortes, nor the Bretons, nor the Redondas, nor Unwin Lake, etc. So when I go off line , just assume I am in a distant corner of paradise, enjoying the swimming , fishing, hunting etc. away from the childish demands of armchair experts, and I am again having way too much fun.( Which according to some Puritans, is "doing it all wrong.")
I have seen this kind of warm weather last till late October. After last summer, looking for firewood to keep warm in late July, this summer has been the exact opposite. I wont feel cheated this year, whenever winter comes.

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I really miss that guy.

Voyage of the Raging Queen was my favorite SNL skit series.
My uncle did Belushi's autopsy..

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FWIW I have done a lot of boating in the last 60+ years and I have hit floating and semi-floating objects VERY HARD in traditional wood boats, contemporary composite wood boats (cold molded West System), solid glassfiber boats, balsa cored glassfiber boats and an aluminum boat. Never took a drop of water in any of the incidents.

Speeds involved were:
Aluminum 35 knots (powerboat)
West System 20 knots (powerboat)
Solid Glass 8 knots (sailboat)
Cored Glass 8 knots (sailboat)
Wood 7 knots (sailboat)

From what I have read composite construction can be stronger than steel pound for pound. Of all of the incidents I have experienced the West System boat felt the strongest.

I am sure steel is strong, but given all of the other issues with steel it would not be my first choice for a boat building material. I think when taking all aspects of boat building material into account I would always chose some sort of epoxy composite material (as we have done on the Francis Lee project.)

People vote with their dollars on boats, having owned and/or operated vessels built of just about every boat building material there is, I vote for epoxy composite construction.

You are of course free to vote however you so chose.

(The only time I ever hit something and took on water was when I ripped an outdrive off hitting an unseen submerged object. That was the only insurance claim I have ever had in 60+ years of boating.)

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You are still left with the inevitable deck leaks, which require you to re-bed things down from time to time. Welded down stainless never leaks.
Wooden boats are impossible to insulate adequately , without inviting dry rot. They also are far more flammable, and thru hulls in them are far less trouble free, than welded in stainless pipe nipples. It doesn't let you use a part of your hull as a keel cooler, leaving you with salt water intake, salt water pump and heat exchanger problems.
I once hit a sunken bulldozer at hull speed, in Christmas Island lagoon . Zero damage .

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