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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

Julie,
Aura is a beautiful boat. Looking through the listing the previous owner put a LOT of work into her (mostly done by yards). The bulkheads are a big job, but do-able if you read up on it in advance and practice on a couple of small epoxy jobs first to learn about using epoxy and glass mat.

It comes down to how comfortable you are tackling something like this. If you are I'd say go for it.

That said epoxy fumes are no joke. Make sure you have fans going and the boat is well ventilated.

I'm guessing you've pretty much decided buy her. This is NOT the place to come to get talked out of buying a boat.

Best of luck with her,
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

So Julie, the "good" is the Interlux bottom paint? That bulkhead rot looks really ugly. Is leaking to this extent common amongst all Sabres? Obviously, you will want to do carefull moisture readings on the weather decks. My guess at only looking at this one photo, there is a whole lot more work needed than meets the eye. My experience is nothing is not repairable given enough time, money and resourses. The question is: "Is it worth all that for you?".
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

Of course you'll have to buy it, just so you can suffer like the rest of us...
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

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The woodwork on this doesn't concern me. It's the fiberglass. From what I've read and heard the rotted knees can be cut out and replaced. I can do that. But then it all has to be bedded in with fiberglass. My biggest concern is making sure the bedding is bonded to the existing structure. That, and not dying from the epoxy fumes!
Fiberglass work is way easier than woodwork. If you can wallpaper, you can fiberglass - in fact I find glass to be EASIER than wallpaper - you don't have to match seams perfectly.

Core work is really no more difficult than making a peanut butter sandwich.

Epoxy fumes aren't a problem - they are much less than polyester. The problem with epoxy is if you get it on your skin over a long period of time you can become sensitized and will get rashes from it. Careful work and ALWAYS wearing plastic gloves will alleviate that problem.

The biggest thing with glass work is to work neatly so you minimize any grinding or sanding - that's the nasty part.

You go girl.
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

I don't know why all you sissies are bitching about epoxy fumes. If you've ever worked with polyester resin or gel coat you'd know that epoxy smells like a spring afternoon by comparison.
A little ventilation and careful work habits make working with epoxy pretty straight forward. I know that our Julie will do her best to be very careful - she is a safety maven at work remember.
She can start out by reading the West Systems Use Guides: WEST SYSTEM | Use Guides
More advanced techniques involve using various plastics and even very thin plywood for molds. The less sanding you have to do to finish your work the better and your nose will thank you.

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Fiberglass work is way easier than woodwork. If you can wallpaper, you can fiberglass - in fact I find glass to be EASIER than wallpaper - you don't have to match seams perfectly.

Core work is really no more difficult than making a peanut butter sandwich.

Epoxy fumes aren't a problem - they are much less than polyester. The problem with epoxy is if you get it on your skin over a long period of time you can become sensitized and will get rashes from it. Careful work and ALWAYS wearing plastic gloves will alleviate that problem.

The biggest thing with glass work is to work neatly so you minimize any grinding or sanding - that's the nasty part.

You go girl.
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

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Sabre's are a great boat. If this is one of the older ones be sure to have it checked for sabre rot....
what is sabre rot?
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

Julie - if you are concerned about glassing in structural pieces like knees for tangs, get a copy of "This Old Boat" and/or "From a Bare Hull". They both have details on the process. Also, check out "Lackeysailing.com". Tim Lackey restores and customizes GOB's and does VERY nice work. He recently did knees for tangs on a Tartan 34 and it's detailed with lots of pics.

Buy the boat and put it in a shed for your Chi-town winter - it'll be as nice as your workbench by spring.
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

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what is sabre rot?
Take a peek @ picture 2.

When leaks go unchecked on these boats for years, the wooden components
rot away like a car sitting in a field after a N.E. winter.
Bulkheads, floor stringers & cabin soles make up the structural integrity of these boats.
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

It's the old cliche, you have money or time but rarely both.

I have time.

I don't know I'll buy this boat. I can. And I don't have to take out a loan. But I'm not basing what I will do on what someone else would do. What I really do appreciate is reading what warning signs I need to look for. And many here have been provided and I've learned a LOT! Thank you!

So far it seems the Volvo Penta engines from that time period had no heat exchange systems. They were cooled directly from whatever water the boat sat in, and in this case, that's salt water. In 34 years, salt water can do a lot of damage.

And even if it is an enclosed system, what condition is the engine really in after 34 years? Can fluid analysis really provide those answers? I don't know, but I will try to find out.

More than anything, I don't want to end up with a boat that has endless problems. I've been through that. But that is something no one can guarantee.
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Re: Lash Me To The Mast Before I Buy A Boat!

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......I don't want to end up with a boat that has endless problems......
You may not want to start with one, but you will end up with one.
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