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deltaten 11-27-2012 09:52 AM

Sad demise of an old C&C
 
A friend and I went to a marina on Sunday to look at a 1969 C&C 'Redwing' 30 footer that was listed at a ridiculously low price. Only a few of these classics are still about and operating.
Not expecting too much; but I did hope for a rough diamond. The seller met us at the dock and we wandered out the pier to the slip. Why is it the pictures always make a boat look bigger/better?

First; the jib was piled up on the foredeck and the main was hastily wrapped and tied to the boom. I was informed that the halyard has separated; but was guessing the hardware had let lose. Uh... No! the wire halyard had broken at he attachment. Only a few strands were all that was taking rip anymore...no wonder it failed
The blue, UV panels were separating and worn, the stitching was tired and 50% gone. The main was damm'd near the same condition; but intact.

At first glance , the paint job someone had done some years ago was OK. Not my choice to use 'swimming pool aqua' on an upper deck; but it complimented the darker, faded and chalky blue of the hull. All wrinkled and full of bubbles; it almost looked like someone had added anti-skid to the entire can before application. The Port side deck only had one crack and soft spot. The deck glass was solid and the hull sound, for all I could tell sitting in the water.

Most of the deck hardware was antique. Three different winches with three different handles. Could get confusing! The standing rigging looked OK; but given the state of everything else, was suspect.

Opening the companionway hatch and entering the cabin was a surprise. While I didn't expect capacious, I was surprised by the limited space, narrow sole and huge 'dinette' cushions taking more than their share of the cabin. Of that use of the word? I wouldn't really call it a 'cabin'. More like an expanded cuddy. The only saving grace to the interior was the perfectly preserved galley cabinet. Solid and as yet un-bugger'd up; it had an antique, original Optimus stove and the teak grate in the ice chest. The motor was AWOL and the rusting steel mounts led me to believe that it was good that it was

An inspection of the hull via various hatches and ports showed a bit of staining and some indication of water intrusion; but nothing unusual. There were more mud wasp traces than water stains.

Now, I don't have much to compare to; but for a 30' boat, this one had all the room of some 24 footers I've seen. Headroom was good, though! ;) I should have suss'd it out, given the
rakish prow, slim, overhanging stern and the 21' waterline.
The old Evinrude 25 O/B hung on a decent mount off the transom. It pulled thru and turned over. I wouldn't have trusted it to make it out of the marina, though.

I had to walk away.
Visions of a pert, classic sailing vessel were dashed by a series of maintenance misadventures over the years. If I had unlimited funds and time, I could restore this boat to the beauty it was.....IF I wanted to take a couple years to spend $15,000 on a $8,000 boat. The asking price and what it would actually bring was somewhere between $1000 and $1800.
Quite a bit of loose cash for a hole in the water, no matter how nice it *could* be...eventually.

There's lotsa old, inexpensive boats out there. One will come along in time and at the right price. I ahve a sinking feeling this old girl will end up in the "old boat graveyard".

Sad, indeed!

deniseO30 11-27-2012 10:18 AM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
:worthless:

keep looking!

sd1953 11-27-2012 10:42 AM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
I'm not sure why this should make you sad. Nothing is forever, especially in salt water. This vessel has reached the end of it's useful life and now belongs in the "old boat graveyard".
The boat was built to be a cruising boat that no longer meets the demands of cruisers. You could spend lots of money to make it an inadequate cruising boat. But you weren't crazy enough to do that. Why should you be sad about that? Not everything old should be restored. Not everything old belongs in the museum. Some old stuff (BUT NOT ME) just needs to be recycled or discarded.

Faster 11-27-2012 10:53 AM

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Pretty boats, in a classic C&C way but no one ever said they were roomy... My least favourite part of that design was their 'hockey stick' rudder.

How was the smell below? That can be as off-putting as much of what you see sometimes.

We owned a Viking 28 for 10 years.. same designer, slightly more modern shapes but no standing headroom.. a lovely, pretty boat that sailed real well. But by todays standards, as you say, many 24 footers had more room.

deltaten 11-27-2012 11:37 AM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
OK, I'll give this a try
hmmm.. gotta study up on posting pix

http://www.findanyboat.com/files/pos...boat_bq9wg.jpg

Is best I can do. Have shots of galley and interior. MUsta lost the exterior and detail pix somehow???

Actually, there wasn't any funky odor; other than lingering old boat smell; nothing terrible.

sd1953;

That I have a certain penchant for old-timey boats is sometimes difficult for even *me* to understand. I suppose it is simply that a boat is to look a certain way to appeal to me. That the old designs don't fit my needs is the problem. Nothing lasts forever; but to see this old girl in such poor condition grieves me some. I like old tools, old cars, old houses and classic boats.

Continuing the quest..

sailortjk1 11-27-2012 11:41 AM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
I am sure you are going to find a lot more Dogs than Diamonds.
Good luck with the hunt, the right one is out there. It takes time and patients.

arf145 11-27-2012 11:46 AM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
Whoa! Now that's blue!

SloopJonB 11-27-2012 03:17 PM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sd1953 (Post 953770)
I'm not sure why this should make you sad. Nothing is forever, especially in salt water. This vessel has reached the end of it's useful life and now belongs in the "old boat graveyard".
The boat was built to be a cruising boat that no longer meets the demands of cruisers. You could spend lots of money to make it an inadequate cruising boat. But you weren't crazy enough to do that. Why should you be sad about that? Not everything old should be restored. Not everything old belongs in the museum. Some old stuff (BUT NOT ME) just needs to be recycled or discarded.

Lots of people drive & love '55 Chevy's too. ;)

SloopJonB 11-27-2012 03:28 PM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deltaten (Post 953790)

That looks like it could be a worthwhile project boat for a hobbyist but certainly not a way to get sailing on the cheap.

Wouldn't like to see it get cut up. When you see what old car hobbyists go through to get some rusted old piece of junk restored, all the casual talk of cutting up old glass sailboats just makes me cringe. :eek:

They aren't worn out kitchen appliances or TV's.

paulk 11-27-2012 03:33 PM

Re: Sad demise of an old C&C
 
There's a Redwing 30 at our club that's been all done up by her owners. She looks fine in the harbor, but they tend not to take her out because she seems to underperform when it comes to sailing. A Pearson 30 might offer more room (and certainly better performance) at a reasonably comparable price. A tired Catalina 30 might cost more, but would be like a huge loft apartment in comparison. It too might sail better than the Redwing due to its larger sail area. Keep looking!


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