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For down wind runs, would you guys suggest setting the main and the 150 or 130 wing-and-wing?
Sure, here is another video of an IOR-inspired P28 running wing and wing at nearly hull speed in 10-15 knots, gusting to 20 with a 135 (the #1 on this boat):


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For me, it is going to be mostly a day sailor, lake boat. Then one to take out to Blake Island or one-two nights somewhere. Not a week long family cruise in the San Juans just yet.
This is different than what you said on your other thread. For overnight trips to Blake Island or going around Bainbridge Island this size should be fine. With Blake you'll still want a dinghy, but it isn't as big of a deal to drag one. For one or two nighters it is fun to camp aboard and lack of standing room is not a big deal.

Until I did my 12 night trip on the Catalina 25 I didn't think I'd want anything larger because it was so fun for day sailing and overnighters.

I did just want to point out how small this boat is compared to other boats of the same overall length. For actual cruising with a family I think you'd want something larger. Even for just couples cruising there is a big difference in the interior of the Kent Ranger 24 (which has an interior about the size of most 22s) and most 25' boats.

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For down wind runs, would you guys suggest setting the main and the 150 or 130 wing-and-wing?
It depends a lot on the conditions. In light air that will work pretty nicely. In heavier air you probably won't need that much sail area to hit hull speed.

You'll want to experiment too and see if VMG is higher going directly down wind or doing broad reaches with occasional gybes. This can vary boat by boat.

I never thought that I'd be so interested in racing, but doing Duck Dodge (Tuesdays on Lake Union) was a very quick way for me to learn how to make my boat perform well and is a ton of fun. I usually just do the race and head home, rather than staying for the party (which can go late). It became the highlight of my week last summer.
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For down wind runs, would you guys suggest setting the main and the 150 or 130 wing-and-wing?
For stability the jib should be 'poled out'.. but for me, wing on wing is the least favourite point of sail. To keep the jib stable without a pole you virtually have to sail by-the-lee and on the edge of an accidental jibe, but with a pole intentionally jibing is complicated by the need to deal with the pole before and after...

I'd rather broad reach and jibe occasionally - not because it's faster (often it's not - esp in good wind) but it's just less stressful.

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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

In heavier conditions instead of going wing and wing, would you guys choose to use just the main or just the headsail?
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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

Both until I was forced down to storm jib only, although I do have an apprehension about heavy air jibes and will do a circle to tack over instead of jibing.
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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

For me... ultimately the main is the more stable sail.. but the consequences of an unintended gybe are more severe.. On balance ( and we did this routinely where we used to live/sail) once the wind got up we went main only and 'chicken gybed' when necessary - ie what James meant when he said 'circle to tack over'...

did I mention I don't like DDW???

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In heavier conditions instead of going wing and wing, would you guys choose to use just the main or just the headsail?
On my boat I greatly prefer both and if I'm only running one it is the main only. However my boat (Pearson 28-2, not to be confused with the IOR Pearson 28 mentioned earlier in this thread) has a pretty balanced sail plan.

I don't like DDW on main only because you don't have the jib to warn of an accidental gybe. So I would do broad reaches on main only to be safer.

You'll need to try both options on your boat to see what works. Decision points should be made on what gives you a more balanced helm, which allows you to point higher if you are going upwind, and if there are any risks of mask pumping if you sail with jib only.
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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

My boat is a similar configuration, I sail pretty much all the time with a 115% genoa, makes the boat plenty sailable anywhere from 4kts to 25/30kts as long as you reef the main at the appropriate times, or even drop it entirely, she sails just fine in high winds on genoa alone.
I rarely fly the 155%, it's a massive sail and is just too much of a pain to handle (I always sail short or single handed) in anything other than about 8-12kts, I have only ever hoisted the working jib (about 90% I guess) at the docks.
Dead downwind she sails OK, a little bit squirrely if there is some swell behind you, but otherwise a well mannered boat. She's quick too, I imagine she would be very easy to sail up to (and probably better) than her rating.
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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

Thanks again. This is great.

One more question I just thought of:

Anything to keep in mind when attempting to heave to with a massive head sail? Do I have to trim the main sheet more than I am used to (which is not at all).
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Re: Small main sail, large jib - questions

You'll just have to give it a try.. it's likely that you'll have to trim some main on to balance up compared to other boats with more even split between main/jib.. but the hull has a lot to do with all that too.

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