Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

[chef2sail]

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

Dufour 40E or a Perry Nordic 44.

Nordic 44 is an interesting boat. I like more wood and it doesnt look as comfortable in the cabin, but I know they are well made. How do they sail?

[Melrna]

Caliber 40LRC.
Vailant 42 or 40
Hylas 44

[BubbleheadMd]

Originally Posted by chef2sail

Nordic 44 is an interesting boat. I like more wood and it doesnt look as comfortable in the cabin, but I know they are well made. How do they sail?

I haven't been underway on one, but my understanding is that they go well to windward, and will take a beating.

As is my nature, I erred on the side of "performance" vs. "comfort", which may not suit your purposes.

I have sailed the D-40E however. Double-handed in fact. Gorgeous and very comfy down below. Easy to double-hand, excellent upwind performance, rides like a Cadillac. Mmmmmmmmmm...

[night0wl]

As new a Sabre 362 as you can afford to buy and keep 20-30% for refiit/modernization.

Fast, lots of teak down below (even has cedar lined hanging lockers, comfortable for cruising, even has a COMPLETE ICW friendly mast height below 55' - so it can do the Julia Tuttle and other bridges on the ICW.

[chucklesR]

Dave,
Quit describing my boat and just go out and buy one (or rather 2.5 with that budget).

Seriously, the Irwin 43 CC fits everything you have on that list - and my 38 CC does
except for the 55 HP engine (it's a 44), the wood trim topsides, and my 38 is 4k lighter.

And yes, I see the "no full keel" - define "full keel", mines a shoal draft long keel

BTW - the Mason 44 has a longer keel than the Irwin, and the rudder mounted to it, so just toss that out a 'no full keel'. It's also got more wood topsides.

My Irwin 38 CC with a PHRF of 126 (New England - PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps) is well within the top 50% of similar boats.

and compares well with your PHRF of 123 - in the same region.
Keep in mind PHRF is a factor of all points of sail


Besides, you know once your wife sees my aft cabin you are sunk, screwed and tattoo'd; you'll be getting a center cockpit

[Coquina]

I vote for a C&C 35

* seriously, when I was in the business, it was routine for an older couple with a boat they knew like the back of their hands that had been perfected over decades of ownerhsip to sell it and get a big boat with every comfort known to man and then wonder why it was 20 times harder to get into a slip and 100 times harder to keep running.

[chef2sail]

Originally Posted by night0wl

As new a Sabre 362 as you can afford to buy and keep 20-30% for refiit/modernization.

Fast, lots of teak down below (even has cedar lined hanging lockers, comfortable for cruising, even has a COMPLETE ICW friendly mast height below 55' - so it can do the Julia Tuttle and other bridges on the ICW.

36 Sabre is similar to what we have, fast nice accomadations,,,but I want something a little heavier with a skeg .

[miatapaul]

Originally Posted by chef2sail

Protected Rudder
No full keel
No volvo engine
Sailplan including either two head furlers or detachable forestay
V berth and at least a double aft berth
Safe U shaped galley
24000 lbs or more
Lead Keel
AC and genset ( or room for one)
Espar heater
Comfortable salon plan for 2- no curved settes
Foreward facing Nav station
Top and front facing refeer and freezer
2 propane lockers
Davits or avaialability to install them
55 or greater HP engine no more than 2500 hrs
Dual racor filtering
Good windlass
Solar Panels
720 ah elctrical dc
Good inverter and battery monitor- can be added
Good charplotter- can be added
hearty autopilot- can be added
Good engine acccess on all sides
40 gallon holding tank with Y valve and mascerator
At least 8 opening ports
At least 4 opening hatches
Wood not lalminate interior
Little wood trim topside
Sailing abiliity phrf abive 50% of similar boats to windward
Draft 6 ft
Mast height less than 63 feet

Thats a lot of specs....hahha I am picky thats what has taken me so long.

It will only be my wife and I so only one head is fine. Salon must be comfortable for hanginkg out and reading in. Could be barrel chairs like older Bristols

The boats that have interested us have been Mason 44, Hans Chrisian Christina 43, bistol 41.1 and 45.5. Saga 43. But maybe there are others out there thats why I am asking. I am not afraid of older boats if in good condition as good boats last 60 years at least.

I think you forgot to mention the 6 high output commercial stove with double convection ovens. :-)

The Nordic 44 looks pretty good on the inside, though the one in Maine looks to have been finished off in Herreshoff style with white bulkheads. This one has plenty of wood underneath. I wonder if the other one was owner finished?

1980 Nordic 44 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

This one is in Cali, but you could fit it out there, then head out to the Galapagos Islands, before coming back! So does the one who finds your new boat get your old one as a bonus? Seriously if you put yours up for sale, and I have not found a boat by then, give me a buzz.

I have always thought if I won the Lotto I would look at a new Passport LRC. They seem to be really nice boats and I have never heard of anyone who had one say they were slow.

[chef2sail]

Originally Posted by chucklesR

Dave,
Quit describing my boat and just go out and buy one (or rather 2.5 with that budget).

Seriously, the Irwin 43 CC fits everything you have on that list - and my 38 CC does
except for the 55 HP engine (it's a 44), the wood trim topsides, and my 38 is 4k lighter.

And yes, I see the "no full keel" - define "full keel", mines a shoal draft long keel

BTW - the Mason 44 has a longer keel than the Irwin, and the rudder mounted to it, so just toss that out a 'no full keel'. It's also got more wood topsides.

My Irwin 38 CC with a PHRF of 126 (New England - PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps) is well within the top 50% of similar boats.

and compares well with your PHRF of 123 - in the same region.
Keep in mind PHRF is a factor of all points of sail


Besides, you know once your wife sees my aft cabin you are sunk, screwed and tattoo'd; you'll be getting a center cockpit

Ha...you are funny. I like the boat you are getting and would consider it in the next size up.

I guess this summer we will have to see if you new boat will keep up with our 35 old girl loaded with attachments. I am suspect to the Irwin speed and pointing ability, although I know they are not slow boats. No doubt the 38 Irwin has a great amount of room for its size below and some great advantages.

I like the Mason 44 living accomadations and the fact the engine is under the floor. It also is a rear cockpit which I kind of prefer, but am not married to it.

Its all a trade off.

[chef2sail]

Originally Posted by Coquina

I vote for a C&C 35

* seriously, when I was in the business, it was routine for an older couple with a boat they knew like the back of their hands that had been perfected over decades of ownerhsip to sell it and get a big boat with every comfort known to man and then wonder why it was 20 times harder to get into a slip and 100 times harder to keep running.

Understand Joje....but we have the 35 C&C MKIII and I have loved it for over 15 years now and I want something a little heavier for the trades as well as a protected rudder.

Dave