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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

You might take a look at the Niagara 42. Ticks most of the boxes on your list. Very well built, faster than you'd suspect, roomy, undeniably pretty, and a great motion underway. Buy a great one for 140k, a few upgrades, and cruise for 2 years on the balance of your 250k budget.
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Or buy a new one from Bruckman Yachts for 600k
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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

PSC 44, Passport 39-47, Saga 43?
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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

I haven't read the whole thread to see if it has been mentioned, but I would like to suggest a J40 or J42. It has many of the features you want except it has 2 heads (I use the aft head as FWG and harness locker when underway) and laminate below, which I personally much prefer to the standard teak cave, but that's personal choice. The Js are fast and very seaworthy and have a great galley. Take a look at one.
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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

Hello,

When I bought my last boat (a C400 which I sold last december) I looked very carefully at both Passport 40 ( a good friend of mine owns one) and the Tatoosh/Nassau 42.

The Passport is much more pleasing to my eye with a more pronounced sheer and a better looking transom than the Tatoosh.

Some of my impressions / opinions:

Passport:
+Very nice looking boat
+ High quality
+ Interior joinery is first class.
+ fantastic galley
+ storage galore

- Very (and I mean very) small cockpit. Like a (small) 30 footer. seats are not long enogh to lie down.
- The pullman berth version has a small berth. you do not want to be a large person...
- the quarter beth is tiny, 2 people has to virtually lie on their sides to fit (or on top of each other ;-) to fit
- The aft head placement under a seat in the quarter berth. Who wants to sleep next to a toilet?
- Often came with weird diesel, such a Nanni...
- I suspect (have heard) that the boat is quite wet, I guess a drawback of the relatively low freeboard.
- I have heard that they are under canvassed (except for SF Bay conditions...)

If I was looking at a Passport again, I would look for a 47' or 49' (same boat, different transom?) which are similar in layout and looks to the 40' but with the interior volume approaching that of a more modern 40' boat.

Tatoosh:
+ Excellent galley
+ even more storage than the passport
+ aft head and shower is ginormous
+ Good engine access.
+ Superbly beautiful interior fit out.
- very tight cockpit behind the wheel. The helmsman settee is very close to the wheel. (or vice versa)
- V-Berth bed is very high off the cabin floor = reduced headroom, harder to get into, slightly claustrophobic feeling
- curved settes.
- Aft pullman berth is in hottest, least ventilated part of boat. This type of arrangement seemed to have a pretty short life (Nordic 44 and Mason 44 has similar arrangement).
- Aluminum toe rail just does not look right on this boat...

In the end we had to be honest to ourselves and admit that as much as we love the look of exterior teak, we do not like to maintain it. As much storage as the above boats have, the storage in a C400 ora Bene 473 is plenty for a 2 person crew. We elected to get a newer boat for the same money and it suited the cruising we planned to do, and did, US east coast and Bahamas, perfectly.

If we were to cross oceans, we would have bought a HR, Amel or similar. If I were to do US east cost and Bahamas, carribean again - Catamaran is the way to go. Lagoon 400 owners version, or if performance is an issue an Aussie built cat called Fusion (unfortunately neither can be had for OP's budget of 200K...). A nice Lagoon 380 can be found for $250K.
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Thanks Paulo. I like the Gran Soleis. They look like they have a powerful sailplan. I am reesearching them.

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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

Have you looked at a Pacific Seacraft 40/44?

They seem to meet most of your requirements - mast height less 63 feeet, than minimal wood trim topside, are very nicely finished below, skeg hung rudder, lead keel, propane locker for two tanks etc. Draft is 6.1 and 6.3 feet respectively, a little over your spec.

It is also a rock solid and pretty boat. Rock solid and pretty boats go a long way towards getting and keeping the Admiral on board.

They seem to do better offshore than their round the buoys PHRF seems to indicate. SV Valis, Pacific Seacraft 44 out of San Fransico (VALIS) has a good record in the Pacific Cup.

Disclaimer: I have not been on a Pacific Seacraft 40/44 but I can attest to the thoughtfullness of the design and the quality of the build of a Pacific Seacraft 34.
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Re: Last Boat- Time to look at the end game Cruising Boat

Damn you just missed one of my favorites. Mascot was perhaps the best deal on the market. She had been EXTENSIVELY re-fit with NO EXPENSE spared and she was in Annapolis.. Spent some time aboard her and she was SWEET...

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Damn you just missed one of my favorites. Mascot was perhaps the best deal on the market. She had been EXTENSIVELY re-fit with NO EXPENSE spared and she was in Annapolis.. Spent some time aboard her and she was SWEET...

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Yes, mascot is a sweet boat. If I remember right, initial listing price was something like 379k. Likely sold for a quite a bit less than that.
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Yes, mascot is a sweet boat. If I remember right, initial listing price was something like 379k. Likely sold for a quite a bit less than that.

I heard through the grape vine she went for around 200k.. I know Chris had put waaaaaayy more than that into her, on top of the purchase price. She was impeccable and a steal.....
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I heard through the grape vine she went for around 200k.. I know Chris had put waaaaaayy more than that into her, on top of the purchase price. She was impeccable and a steal.....
She's a beauty. Never saw her even advertised.
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