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joseph221980 01-27-2013 03:53 PM

Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
I'm looking for 20-25 people that wants to go in and buy a new or newer sailboat. Since there would be so many owners it would be good to make some groups. I'm looking for a 35-45ft beneteau or Jeanneau. I'm also open to finding 4-5 guys and looking for one that some one already owns and seeing if they want to lease. Put the boat somewhere on the east coast. Send me a message if your interested.

Slayer 01-27-2013 04:12 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
You will need to find people who play well with others.

joseph221980 01-27-2013 04:21 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
Split em up and let make choices on what they want to do.

brokesailor 01-27-2013 04:43 PM

Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
20-25????? That's like 2 weeks use per year pp.

joseph221980 01-27-2013 04:55 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
Not if you got 4-5 owners on the boat at once.

benesailor 01-27-2013 04:56 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
You'll need a good lawyer.

brokesailor 01-27-2013 05:09 PM

Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
Too many roosters in the hen house. That would be too many captains.

Shinook 01-27-2013 05:26 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
I'm usually the sole person in the crowd saying "partnerships can work", mostly because I've had positive experiences with them in the past (with airplanes though, not boats). In this case though, I think you are expecting a bit much. The short of it is, IMO you'd be better off buying the boat on a loan, finding 20 people that want to rent it regularly, and rent it out to pay off the loan.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 20-25 people that want to buy into a boat that they have to compete against 20-25 other people to use. They'd be better off taking their investment and renting someone else's boat, the price would be about the same, they wouldn't have to worry about recurring expenses, and scheduling would probably be easier. You run into all sorts of issues when people put a financial stake into something and they can never use it on their own, not to mention the resource management problems you come into when you have 5 "owners" on the boat all wanting to operate it differently.

Also, keep in mind that when partnerships run into roadblocks, whether with 2 people or 50, it's the shared assets that suffer. I can take you to our local airport or marina and show you plenty of boats and airplanes rotting because their owners couldn't agree or get along. The chances of this type of situation happening increase with the number of people in the partnership, as finding that many people who are willing to agree on how things should be done becomes more difficult.

I should also point out that on more expensive boats, repairs and parts are more expensive. If you buy a $100k boat with a $4k buy-in, you are going to eventually run into problems where repairs have to happen, but the owners got in over their heads and can't afford it. The effect of this is compounded if the owners haven't been able to use the boat they want to.

In my situation, I had a group of 4 partners who owned an airplane. We all agreed on how things should be done, we worked well together, our scheduling went great, and we generally enjoyed being around each other. We had awkward moments and disagreements, but the partnership succeeded because we had a strong enough relationship to make it work. We knew each other beforehand and spent a lot of time nurturing that relationship though. There is no way you'd accomplish that with 20-25 people.

Just my advice. I'd sell 1/2 my boat in a heartbeat if I knew someone that would buy it, not for the money but for the relationship that comes out of it, but these things get tricky and they get trickier with more money and more people.

rgscpat 01-27-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
Heck, you could perhaps find * hundreds * of people to share the boat if you go to someplace such as Haiti.

svHyLyte 01-28-2013 10:08 AM

Re: Looking to find large group to buy boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joseph221980 (Post 981899)
I'm looking for 20-25 people that wants to go in and buy a new or newer sailboat. Since there would be so many owners it would be good to make some groups. I'm looking for a 35-45ft beneteau or Jeanneau. I'm also open to finding 4-5 guys and looking for one that some one already owns and seeing if they want to lease. Put the boat somewhere on the east coast. Send me a message if your interested.

Why reinvent the wheel rather than simply looking into/joining one of the existing programs, e.g. Beneteau Fractional Yachting?


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