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I found a 1981 C&C 40. This is a boat that suits my style of sailing (see Cruising Criteria: How to Pick the Best Cruiser | Sail Magazine for my take on the selection process), which is biased toward performance as I expect I will be moving around a lot the first few years as I explore my neighborhood. I know she is capable offshore as I've sailed one back and forth to the islands and my old boss got caught out between Newport and Bermuda in a good storm that had him feeling "becalmed at 30". He later sailed to the Med and back. Not that she is by any means the ideal offshore boat for everyone, of course.

I got a good survey which found the hull to be dry and sound and the deck to have seven small areas of moisture, which will get fixed next year. I need to give the rig a good going-over, but everything seems sound there. I want to install a windlass and refrigeration. But overall, this ex raceboat has NOT been rode hard and put away wet; the woodwork below is nicer than when it came from the factory and the upholstery and stove are new. As is the canvas on deck. I'll go through the engine compartment and replace the hoses, impeller, zincs, and filters so I have a baseline from which to start maintenance logs. There will be lots of days when the weather isn't great fro pleasure sailing so I can still enjoy the boat by puttering around messing with stuff and getting to know her better.

Below she is very comfortable for the two of us and she has a nice big nav table so I can work while we're anchored somewhere.

The bottom line is that I'm already having fun with her and I won't even get to sail her for the first time for another 55 days and a little under 17 hours. I may never take her offshore...but I could. That's a nice feeling.

I paid less than $50K for her.
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The bottom line is that I'm already having fun with her and I won't even get to sail her for the first time for another 55 days and a little under 17 hours. I may never take her offshore...but I could. That's a nice feeling.

I paid less than $50K for her.
Congratulations. Sounds like you got a gem.
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Thanks. I think so, too!

Or maybe you gathered that? : )
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David, Andrew got a gem, but not a rare gem. there are lots of better than average boats available today at lower than expected prices.
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I am in the process of doing exactly what you are talking about. In my younger days I cruised the Bahama's for six summers in my Ranger 29. Primative at best but enjoyed it tremendously. Being a teacher I had the whole summers off. Due to moving I became a lake sailor for awhile and then we purchased a 1977 Pearson 323 and kept it on the Neuse River in NC. When my retirement was getting close we wanted to cruise again as well as move up to a larger boat. We looked at many boats but chose a beautiful Catalina 380 to do our cruising in. It is only ten years old in great shape and since she has taken the trip to the Bahama's quite a few times she is set up for cruising with wind generator, water maker, small genset, etc. I could not be happier with her. Yes I went through the same thought processes that you are going through now: should I go with an older boat with a great pedigree that will need to be brought up to par as to what I want to make it a comfortable and reliable boat or go with something newer, and comfortable coastal cruiser. I chose the later and couldn't be happier. Do what your gut tells you to do. Also if and when the time comes we can no longer cruise selling a newer boat that will qualify for financing for a new owner will attract a larger group of buyers.
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David, I just did what you are contemplating for the very reasons you suggest. Bought a virtually new 37' Bene well tricked out, some but not much to add for down the ditch, off the coast and Bahammas and the Carrib. Rear and forward cabins-with doors, great galley, etc. Easy sail plan. Spent over a year looking at various boats weighing most of the arguments raised on this thread. I know what it takes to refit an older boat having owned two over the years (not counting the 8 year old Catilina 310 I just sold) and did not want to cut into precious retirement spending time on a refit-always more time than one thinks-when I can be cruising with my lady .
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I found a 1981 C&C 40. This is a boat that suits my style of sailing (see Cruising Criteria: How to Pick the Best Cruiser | Sail Magazine for my take on the selection process), which is biased toward performance as I expect I will be moving around a lot the first few years as I explore my neighborhood. I know she is capable offshore as I've sailed one back and forth to the islands and my old boss got caught out between Newport and Bermuda in a good storm that had him feeling "becalmed at 30". He later sailed to the Med and back. Not that she is by any means the ideal offshore boat for everyone, of course.

I got a good survey which found the hull to be dry and sound and the deck to have seven small areas of moisture, which will get fixed next year. I need to give the rig a good going-over, but everything seems sound there. I want to install a windlass and refrigeration. But overall, this ex raceboat has NOT been rode hard and put away wet; the woodwork below is nicer than when it came from the factory and the upholstery and stove are new. As is the canvas on deck. I'll go through the engine compartment and replace the hoses, impeller, zincs, and filters so I have a baseline from which to start maintenance logs. There will be lots of days when the weather isn't great fro pleasure sailing so I can still enjoy the boat by puttering around messing with stuff and getting to know her better.

Below she is very comfortable for the two of us and she has a nice big nav table so I can work while we're anchored somewhere.

The bottom line is that I'm already having fun with her and I won't even get to sail her for the first time for another 55 days and a little under 17 hours. I may never take her offshore...but I could. That's a nice feeling.

I paid less than $50K for her.
Sounds like you got a good deal on her. I have noticed you are a frequent poster on the owners forum. We have one of the little brothers the 35MKIII

Bought her 15 years ago and have always been happy with the combo of racer / cruiser. Even though they can get overpowerd quickly once you learn the sail combo on them to keep them on theor feet, the C&Cs sail very nicely. We bulked our up with 120 galllons of water ( 3 sperate closeable compartments and an aux fuel tank as the tankage on them is small.

Solid boats, stiff, just have to watch the cored decks which you did and the leaky windows.

David...hard to use the work settling when you are talking about a 40 Catalina. Lots pf gopod advice here about new vs old and old vs new.

I am from the old school. Find a boat you like , manufacturer size...look for the best one or wait and refit her. You wont be racing her so the speed improvments of the new designs wont enter the equation, besides many of the older boats like the C&C40, Irwin 38 ( Chuckles) and ours( although to light for me to permantly cruise her) still are quick compared to todays dsigns. Solid hull, new accessories, money to keep going with more upgrades...good combination

Many of my friends who have bought new boats 5-10 years ago are now faced with equipment getting older, more modern electroinics, etc. There hulls are solid too, but they dont have money now to update and upgrade.

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Dave, I started out looking for a 35 mk1 and then at Mk IIs, I didn't even look at a 35 Mk III because they all seemed pretty pricey. Fantastic boats, though. There's nothing about the Mk III I don't like (or any of the 35s). From the way they look, to the way they sail, to the layout, Your boat is nigh on a perfect cruiser/racer solution for her size. I think you've got a great boat!
I got very lucky with Peregrine, she wasn't even listed, but was owned by a friend of a friend who was willing to let her go to a good home (you know how we get emotionally involved with our boats) and my wife and I seemed like the right people. Hence the very reasonable price. The PO and I are becoming friends and he's made it clear that if I take him sailing, he'll bring plenty of beer.
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Dave, I started out looking for a 35 mk1 and then at Mk IIs, I didn't even look at a 35 Mk III because they all seemed pretty pricey. Fantastic boats, though. There's nothing about the Mk III I don't like (or any of the 35s). From the way they look, to the way they sail, to the layout, Your boat is nigh on a perfect cruiser/racer solution for her size. I think you've got a great boat!
I got very lucky with Peregrine, she wasn't even listed, but was owned by a friend of a friend who was willing to let her go to a good home (you know how we get emotionally involved with our boats) and my wife and I seemed like the right people. Hence the very reasonable price. The PO and I are becoming friends and he's made it clear that if I take him sailing, he'll bring plenty of beer.
Yeah the 35's were their frist real go to racing boat with the rules of the time. There are racing fleets of them on the Great Lakes, kind of like the J Class boats of today. A number of us kind of keep a close e mail touch with each other like JAaronson. As the perfected them they moved through the Redwing, MKI, II and III. For their size still hold there own against similar size modern boats. Sounds like you lucked out and go a gem

We come up to the LI Sound every summer from the Chessie for 3 weeks ( total trip) and were a few weeks early for last years Rondevous at Mystic. I would have love to come. There arent as many C&Cs on the Chessie although I may try with Joel to restart the C&C Club down here. This year our itinerary looks like Block, Montauk. Greenport, Gardeniers Bay and then Stonington, Fishers, Mattitck, Port Jefferson.

Next year we will do Newport, Bristol, Cuttyhunk, MV as we were up there a few years ago. Haleakula was actually built in Bristol
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Well, if you find your way to Newport, be sure to call. I'd love to treat you to a libation at Ida Lewis.
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