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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Blisters of that size can be easily fixed as a DIY, pop them, dry them, grind out, fair with epoxy, two days.

Morgan's are strong boats, don't pass up a champion if it's got what you want for what you want to pay.
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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Thanks for all of the replies. I plan to do as much work myself as possible. But blisters (and evaluating them) are new to me. My 3-5 year plan is to cruise, so I'm looking for a good/strong foundation. I hope to circumnavigate in the long term.

Budgets are what budgets are, and this Morgan certainly fits mine. Bumping up the price by $15k would buy another boat with different/expensive problems. This Morgan is in great shape otherwise.

I've read so many different opinions about blisters. I've read that most repairs fail, and they are often not even worth addressing. The blisters are not on the waterline. They are on the top of the keel and the side of the hull just above the keel. Again, all on the starboard side.

I don't know how much the seller will come down off of his price. He seemed reluctant to sell at the price we previously agreed on. He also claimed that he had never seen blisters before.

It's tough to find a bluewater boat in good condition at this price point.

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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Datswite, there is so much information you are leaving out of this discussion. Is he keel bolt on or encapsulated? lead or iron? Owner is a lair or the boat has been in the water longer then both of you think.

Don't know what your reading, but MOST blister repairs do not fail.

Oil leaks. WHERE?

Circumnavigate... in a Morgan 38?

Based on so little that your telling us I'd buy the boat!

Is this anything like it?

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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Denise - It's a 1981 Morgan 382. Modified keel (encapsulated lead), skeg-mounted rudder. Holding tank and fuel tank integral to the keel. Perkins leaks from the rear seal - 1440 hours. Started right up Saturday morning - outside temp in the high 30's. From my research, many 382's have gone around. Right ocean, right season, right?

I've read numerous articles on the web that suggest that blister repairs fail. Others say not. That's the problem. Which one to believe? My 1976 Hunter shows no signs of blistering, but I've not taken off the bottom paint to verify whether or not it has had them in the past. I've had her for about 4 years.

The boat is in good condition, overall. It needs new standing rigging and new sails. The deck is solid with no signs of water intrusion. Chainplates are still shiny. No signs of rotten wood anywhere. Water tanks seem fine. Fuel tank seems fine. Bare bones in terms of equipment.

Our pre-survey negotiated price stands at $35k.
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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

While the survey discovered the blisters, I'm not sure if a laminate profile was done. I had a laminate profile done last year on my boat and it cost about 200 dollars in the Annapolis area. That way you get a more detail description of the problem and possible remedies. Good luck.
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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Blister repairs don't 'fail' - boats get new blisters if the entire bottom isn't done. The underlying cause of blisters (which many will argue on) are not corrected by spot repairs.

The first step is to get all the old paint off so you can see blisters. Then every haul out you fix what you see, or get the whole bottom done once.

My Irwin's PO found one blister during his purchase survey - he had the whole bottom redone. That job came with a 10 year warranty, eight years ago. I'm not sweating the entire bottom falling off.

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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

Cool! here's a review Morgan 382 Sailboat Review | Cruising World

and more information http://morgan38.org/index.html

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Re: Blisters on survey - Morgan 38

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I assume you have been looking around and know whatís out there. Not counting the blister and engine repairs, youíll end up with a $55K boat - $20k additional for rigging and sails. Are you sure there is nothing out there with new sails and rig for $55K?
The blisters Ė are they in the region of the integral water tank? Would there be problems with immersion on both sides? Curious because its only on one side.

If you really like the boat, which it seems you do, make an offer discounting the repairs estimation from specialists. Donít make heart decision, do it from your head.

Just my 3 cents.
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My Irwin's PO found one blister during his purchase survey - he had the whole bottom redone. That job came with a 10 year warranty, eight years ago. I'm not sweating the entire bottom falling off.
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We did a BC on my O30 about 4 yrs ago now. The blisters that were pea size along the water line pretty much were just in the gel coat. the bottom had a few dozen larger ones that I broke out and found dry core.. I filled and faired all those (with help) then we did the BC. Love it! if you can love such things LOL

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Denise - It's a 1981 Morgan 382. Modified keel (encapsulated lead), skeg-mounted rudder. Holding tank and fuel tank integral to the keel. Perkins leaks from the rear seal - 1440 hours. Started right up Saturday morning - outside temp in the high 30's. From my research, many 382's have gone around. Right ocean, right season, right?

I've read numerous articles on the web that suggest that blister repairs fail. Others say not. That's the problem. Which one to believe? My 1976 Hunter shows no signs of blistering, but I've not taken off the bottom paint to verify whether or not it has had them in the past. I've had her for about 4 years.

The boat is in good condition, overall. It needs new standing rigging and new sails. The deck is solid with no signs of water intrusion. Chainplates are still shiny. No signs of rotten wood anywhere. Water tanks seem fine. Fuel tank seems fine. Bare bones in terms of equipment.

Our pre-survey negotiated price stands at $35k.
I'ver heard that all surveyors say "replace standing rigging" but most only inspect it superficially. I can be replaced in bits a pieces rather then all at once.

You can do the blister repairs. nothing to be reluctant about there. I little crash course on epoxy and you will be a "epoxyist" Like most of us.

Fuel tanks get pin holes. but not really all that expensive if you use "off the shelf"

Engine.. if your going on a circnav I'm sure you'd have new or built the engine anyway.

go for it! again.. with your mind not your heart.
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